Pete Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, rmc51 said: I think this tells an accurate story. Most facets they are very good, except 5v5 defense is average and average defense isn't usually good enough to get it done when it counts. Agreed. Not only that, but when all else fails they can't just "clamp down" and wait for an opportunity. They don't have anything to clamp to... Edited December 23, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Pete said: Agreed. Not only that, but when all else fails they can't just "clamp down" and wait for an opportunity. They don't have anything to clamp to... Right. ALA Tampa in close games last 3 years. So good at clogging everything up and exhibiting patience waiting for the other team to make the mistake. Not to mention for protecting a lead either. I don’t even trust this team up 2-3 goals in the 3rd. Is it possible to still win? Yes. A ticket to the show gives you a chance. Just not a maximized one if the simple things can’t be done defensively. I’m pretty worried the team is too competitive to make a coaching change to someone who can get the team playing this way when needed, and will be competitive for a few seasons but top out short of the prize. But hey, maybe I’m wrong about GG. Edited December 23, 2022 by rmc51 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, rmc51 said: Right. ALA Tampa in close games last 3 years. So good at clogging everything up and exhibiting patience waiting for the other team to make the mistake. Not to mention for protecting a lead either. I don’t even trust this team up 2-3 goals in the 3rd. Is it possible to still win? Yes. A ticket to the show gives you a chance. Just not a maximized one if the simple things can’t be done defensively. I’m pretty worried the team is too competitive to make a coaching change to someone who can get the team playing this way when needed, and will be competitive for a few seasons but top out short of the prize. But hey, maybe I’m wrong about GG. I hope your wrong but I almost feel the same way. This team is missing the bear down, clog up the neutral zone and send pucks deep to keep the puck out of your own zone. That type of hockey is integral come playoff time and this team doesn't know how to do it. That's a coaching issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/23/2022 at 8:39 AM, Pete said: Agreed. Not only that, but when all else fails they can't just "clamp down" and wait for an opportunity. They don't have anything to clamp to... When your best player is inappropriate in almost any defensive scheme it makes it hard to have the system you so desperately want. At some point you're going to have to concede that the Rangers freewheeling offense - led by Artemi Panarin - is also the thing that makes it extremely unlikely they can put a grind-grind-grind defensive system in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Br4d said: When your best player is inappropriate in almost any defensive scheme it makes it hard to have the system you so desperately want. At some point you're going to have to concede that the Rangers freewheeling offense - led by Artemi Panarin - is also the thing that makes it extremely unlikely they can put a grind-grind-grind defensive system in play. This is patently false. There are plenty of teams who's best offensive player is not their best defensive player. It's just another empty talking point for the agenda. Panarin actually garnered Selke votes his first year here. If there was a defensive plan at all, I'm sure he'd partake. But there isn't. So he doesn't. Edited December 25, 2022 by Pete 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 43 minutes ago, Pete said: This is patently false. There are plenty of teams who's best offensive player is not their best defensive player. It's just another empty talking point for the agenda. Panarin actually garnered Selke votes his first year here. If there was a defensive plan at all, I'm sure he'd partake. But there isn't. So he doesn't. We’ve all seen Panarin make some very good plays defensively and be a guy who is aware and responsible there when he needs and wants to be. That is to say… he’s actually a good defender. Yes… it’s secondary to his offensive game, as it should be. And no… due to his size, there won’t be a physical element to his game. Guy can fit into anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 CBJ was 10th and 11th in GA in 2 years with Panarin, so he can play a defensive scheme. For transparency, CBJ was 2nd in GA the year before he got there, but that was the year Bobrovsky played out of his mind and won the Vezina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) Edited December 27, 2022 by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Lines look good if 4th is no Blais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Just now, rmc51 said: Lines look good if 4th is no Blais Vince said he thinks Blais is out. Updated my previous post with his tweet now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Yeah, Blais is out. I really like this lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 What's the point with this? Don't need to turn everything upside-down just because of one bad game. Laf on the 4th line (or even scratched)?? He's not looked good and it could probably be good for him to watch a game or two from the stands, but this isn't really the time to do it. The kid has 7 points in the last 10 games and the kid line has looked good the last few weeks, so I don't get this. Chytil who's been amazing so far this season and is currently our best 5v5 forward is being put on a 3rd line with Kravtsov and Gauthier? Kravtsov on his off-wing as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 So, he's wasting time at practice making guys work with others that they may not necessarily be playing with? Christ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 I get his point, but if the problem is inconsistency I don’t think changing the lines after every loss is the right answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsm7302 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I get his point, but if the problem is inconsistency I don’t think changing the lines after every loss is the right answer. 100%. The roster that played last night should be trotted back out tomorrow night. The team was playing so well pre break. This guy can't help himself. Switching lines mid game and every other game is not going to get them going. Give better pre game speeches. Motivate them. Make an unexpected scratch of a vet who isn't producing. Get the team to buy in. This haphazard coaching style is not going to win a championship. It just isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 The jumbled lines are always terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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josh Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Need depth scoring?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Sounds like he’s fitting in just fine in Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 9 hours ago, jsm7302 said: 100%. The roster that played last night should be trotted back out tomorrow night. The team was playing so well pre break. This guy can't help himself. Switching lines mid game and every other game is not going to get them going. Give better pre game speeches. Motivate them. Make an unexpected scratch of a vet who isn't producing. Get the team to buy in. This haphazard coaching style is not going to win a championship. It just isn't. I agree. Just roll. In actuality, they generated plenty of shots and chances last night. Just off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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