Phil Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Well, sure, but he also kinda, maybe wants to win again. Pretty sure no one's doing that in Montreal for the next 3-5 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Phil said: Well, sure, but he also kinda, maybe wants to win again. Pretty sure no one's doing that in Montreal for the next 3-5 years. I was kidding, lol. But Montreal has some prime spots! Nah, he wants to win for sure. I also think, without trying to sound like a homer here, that this is where he personally has as a target in his head. At least for a run this season. I really believe that the Rangers are his preferred landing spot. Big city, good chance to win, big market, play with Panarin. It’s all been said before and will continue to be said. And truthfully, let’s be real, anytime his name has come up, various hockey guys have mentioned the Rangers. Where there is smoke, there’s fire. I think there is a decent chance that whenever Kane gets moved this season, that it may be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 Like I said, Boy Band Insider is full of shit. He's a fake rumor generator in a button down shirt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) Would make sense though if both were wanting to move on now rather than wait to the TDL. The situation in CH is going to be insufferable. May just be coming down to Kane saying I want to GTFO here, now. Edited July 29, 2022 by jsrangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 29, 2022 Author Share Posted July 29, 2022 It doesn't much matter if he says he wants out now. Almost no one can afford a $10.5 million aging winger. Right now, just the Isles, Stars, Sabres, Ducks, and Coyotes have at least $11M in open space. Which of those teams is contending? His (and Toews') best shot here is to suck it up for a while, then get dealt with retention at the trade deadline or close to it to a contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 This is something that's going to be on simmer until the trade deadline and something will most likely happen then, whether it's the Rangers or not. Most likely the same with Toews, although it wouldn't surprise me if that comes sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Phil said: It doesn't much matter if he says he wants out now. Almost no one can afford a $10.5 million aging winger. Right now, just the Isles, Stars, Sabres, Ducks, and Coyotes have at least $11M in open space. Which of those teams is contending? His (and Toews') best shot here is to suck it up for a while, then get dealt with retention at the trade deadline or close to it to a contender. I think if he wants out bad enough almost every other team in the league looks better than CH does to him right now. I'm also relatively confident there's deals including retention that could be worked out now for him to move without waiting. Other contenders I'm sure would also find creative ways to suddenly free-up the gap to bring him in if they want him bad enough. I guess my overall point is if the situation is so bad now that he'll be open to moving elsewhere now rather than solely waiting around on us at the TDL. He could also be dealt now and moved again at the TDL. Edited July 29, 2022 by jsrangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Maybe time for that Kakko for double-retained Kaner deal to happen. Kreider - Zib - Kravtsov Panarin - Tro - Kane Lafreniere - Chytil - Cuylle/Blais/Goodrow Gives me all the goosies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, Phil said: It doesn't much matter if he says he wants out now. Almost no one can afford a $10.5 million aging winger. Right now, just the Isles, Stars, Sabres, Ducks, and Coyotes have at least $11M in open space. Which of those teams is contending? His (and Toews') best shot here is to suck it up for a while, then get dealt with retention at the trade deadline or close to it to a contender. Aging winger? He scores 92 points last year and is a UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 The only way this could get done now would be for Chicago to retain half, take a bad contract, and get some very serious prospects (no Howdens or Hajeks) and multiple No. 1 picks. It would be a lot less complicated to do it at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I'm convinced Kane goes to the Canes. The branding is too on-point and the Raleigh area is basically a second home to most people from upstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 15 hours ago, Sod16 said: The only way this could get done now would be for Chicago to retain half, take a bad contract, and get some very serious prospects (no Howdens or Hajeks) and multiple No. 1 picks. It would be a lot less complicated to do it at the deadline. If it's pre deadline with salary retention, think it starts with Kakko and Miller and more. Don't see how CBH GM can make such a deal and not get Miller. At deadline, might not be as expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 I would gladly trade Chytil, Kakko, Nils and a first plus conditional picks for Kane and Toews at deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 43 minutes ago, Pete said: I would gladly trade Chytil, Kakko, Nils and a first plus conditional picks for Kane and Toews at deadline. Overpayment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 56 minutes ago, Pete said: I would gladly trade Chytil, Kakko, Nils and a first plus conditional picks for Kane and Toews at deadline. 12 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Overpayment I think that’s an over pay. If they weren’t straight rentals, sure. Though that actually gives some cap relief moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc51 said: Overpayment 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: I think that’s an over pay. If they weren’t straight rentals, sure. Though that actually gives some cap relief moving forward. Absolutely not, spare parts. You can't talk in one post about how bad KK is and then complain about moving him for those caliber of players with playoffs and cup winning experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Pete said: Absolutely not, spare parts. You can't talk in one post about how bad KK is and then complain about moving him for those caliber of players with playoffs and cup winning experience. I think you’re referring more to rmc than to me, but I don’t think either Kakko or Chytil are bad. Both need to really take a step this season. Not fully established in my mind whether they are just spare part guys who can be replaced in their respective roles. That could change by deadline time And I think you could get those 2 for less. And it’s more likely only 1. Edited July 30, 2022 by RangersIn7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: I think you’re referring more to rmc than to me, but I don’t think either Kakko or Chytil are bad. Both need to really take a step this season. Not fully established in my mind whether they are just spare part guys who can be replaced in their respective roles. That could change by deadline time And I think you could get those 2 for less. And it’s more likely only 1. These feel like contradictory statements. I also don't see how you're getting them for less. Look at what it took to get Copp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pete said: Absolutely not, spare parts. You can't talk in one post about how bad KK is and then complain about moving him for those caliber of players with playoffs and cup winning experience. So many things wrong with this post lol Also just bait really Edited July 30, 2022 by rmc51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pete said: These feel like contradictory statements. I also don't see how you're getting them for less. Look at what it took to get Copp. Copp didn’t cost an actual player. Let alone 3. All of which were first round picks. All of whom are under age 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc51 said: So many things wrong with this post lol Also just bait really I don't see how it's bait, you're talking about two under performing players, a defenseman we don't have room for, and a pick. For Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews (even at a shell of himself). There's nothing wrong with the post. You just don't have a counterpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: Copp didn’t cost an actual player. Let alone 3. All of which were first round picks. All of whom are under age 23. Morgan Barron isn't a player? Andwho cares what round they were picked in, they don't perform like first round picks and that's why they would be getting shipped out. OK they're under 23... And there are players ready to come in the next season ('23-'24) and replace them. Kakko out for Kane, Kane walks, enter Othmann. Toews walks, Goodrow to 3C, enter Cullye. Losing Chytil and Kakko are like clipping nails (assuming they don't increase production, which is why we'd need Kane and Toews anyway). Edited July 30, 2022 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 39 minutes ago, Pete said: Morgan Barron isn't a player? Andwho cares what round they were picked in, they don't perform like first round picks and that's why they would be getting shipped out. OK they're under 23... And there are players ready to come in the next season ('23-'24) and replace them. Kakko out for Kane, Kane walks, enter Othmann. Toews walks, Goodrow to 3C, enter Cullye. Losing Chytil and Kakko are like clipping nails (assuming they don't increase production, which is why we'd need Kane and Toews anyway). I completely forgot about Barron. I double checked the transaction too on Copp’s HR page and Barron isn’t listed. That’s weird. Anyway… yeah. I get your point. But I think they are pretty committed to seeing how it goes as of now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pete said: I don't see how it's bait, you're talking about two under performing players, a defenseman we don't have room for, and a pick. For Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews (even at a shell of himself). There's nothing wrong with the post. You just don't have a counterpoint. You want to give the equivalent of 4 1st round picks for 2-3 months of Kane along with a guy who looks washed and is worth pretty little in a trade right now. That’s just no bueno. I also never said Kakko was bad, but I wouldn’t blame anyone for having that opinion. That being your takeaway from stuff I’ve said about him kind of just proves my point though that Rangers fans in general right now are incapable of critiquing young players who have been hyped up or drafted high. They get attached and so badly want to be contrarian to the “NY fans and media can’t be patient!” stigma, that it has to be optimism full of rainbows and butterflies all of the time. Critique is mischaracterized as hatred or dislike. Edited July 30, 2022 by rmc51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 How many of the Rangers 1st and 2nd round prospects of recent years are sunk costs at this point? The scouting department overhaul may be based on the organizations interpretation of the question above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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