Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, josh said: dude, you are suggesting trading a 1st overall ++++++++ for a rental. take your own advice, lol including Lafreniere in a Kane trade might be an all-time Worse take In 94 they traded equivalent of Lafreniere, Kakko, and Chytil for Kane, Toews, and Kessel. And everybody whined, until they were all batshit drunk after the Stanley Cup win. Seriously if you think one player who can be replaced is more important than a Stanley Cup, vios con dios. Edited October 14, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pete said: In 94 they traded equivalent of Lafreniere, Kakko, and Chytil for Kane, Toews, and Kessel. And everybody whined, until they were all batshit drunk after the Stanley Cup win. Seriously if you think one player who can be replaced is more important than a Stanley Cup, vios con dios. they traded a first AND second overall pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog99 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) Too expensive Edited October 14, 2022 by Jdog99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Amonte and Weight were way ahead of Laf and Kak in their development too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, SaveByRichter35 said: Amonte and Weight were way ahead of Laf and Kak in their development too. true, to a point. amonte had 2 30-goal seasons! When he was traded, but they didn’t need that. Same reason they moved Gartner. But this rangers squad has those roles filled so they shouldn’t have to move 1st & 2nd overall picks for a rental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog99 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 what we're gonna need for the playoffs is a third line thats a threat...we already have plenty of of talent to fill out the top 6, but we'll need reinforcements if one of those lines gets shut down or goes cold. to the extent that you lose depth trading for kane, it may be a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, josh said: they shouldn’t have to move 1st & 2nd overall picks for a rental. No one said to move Kakko and Lafreniere. Edited October 14, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Yanni looks so good at 3c / 2w with retention and 2 assents compared to Kane for 3+ assets that include Kakko + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Pete said: I have to be honest, the more I think about it the more I think that trading Lafreniere doesn't matter if you wind up with a cup, Kane and Othmann. I really think we're overreacting every time Lafreniere makes a competent hockey play... When I think about overall team makeup, if we lose him but add Othmann and Kane ... That's just an overall better team. The team will be overall better for half a season. Then significantly worse for the next 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSNY1 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) We are two games into the 2022-2023 season Lets we see how the rest of the year goes before we start trading for Kane. Who knows Laf, Kappo and Chytil all might make even greater improvement during this year’s regular season than they exhibited during last year’s playoffs run. So far that seems to be the case Edited October 14, 2022 by CSNY1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: The team will be overall better for half a season. Then significantly worse for the next 10. That's quite the exaggeration, especially if you can keep Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, CSNY1 said: We are two games into the 2022-2023 season Lets we see how the rest of the year goes before we start trading for Kane. Who knows Laf, Kappo and Chytil all might make even greater improvement during this year’s regular season than they exhibited during last year’s playoffs run. So far that seems to be the case I agree with this, too. If Lafreniere (and Kakko) become the player everyone he thinks he will be, then you don't need Kane. If they are lighting it up, I certainly don't see the sense in sending them over for Kane. My point mainly is that you're not getting Kane for a 25 point 3C, a bottom 4 prospect who didn't take a spot from Hajek, and a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, Pete said: That's quite the exaggeration, especially if you can keep Kane. I would say that losing Laf for nothing (which it will be, we can't keep Kane) will make the team significantly worse in the future. Wouldn't give a shit if we won a cup obviously, but that's far from a guarantee, even with Kane. If you remove Chytil (7g, 9p) and Lafreniere (2g, 9p) the team would've looked a lot worse in last years playoffs. So the question is, how much better would Kane actually make this team? Would removing the effective 3rd line from last year just to make the 2nd line even better actually make the team overall much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Pete said: I agree with this, too. If Lafreniere (and Kakko) become the player everyone he thinks he will be, then you don't need Kane. If they are lighting it up, I certainly don't see the sense in sending them over for Kane. My point mainly is that you're not getting Kane for a 25 point 3C, a bottom 4 prospect who didn't take a spot from Hajek, and a pick. So to clarify: If Lafreniere or Kakko are 35 pt players this year, then fair game for Kane? If 60 pt players, not fair game? Where’s the cutoff? 45-50 pts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 I know it's early, but if they play like this the whole season the question becomes do they even need Kane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 32 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I would say that losing Laf for nothing (which it will be, we can't keep Kane) will make the team significantly worse in the future. Wouldn't give a shit if we won a cup obviously, but that's far from a guarantee, even with Kane. If you remove Chytil (7g, 9p) and Lafreniere (2g, 9p) the team would've looked a lot worse in last years playoffs. So the question is, how much better would Kane actually make this team? Would removing the effective 3rd line from last year just to make the 2nd line even better actually make the team overall much better? Who's moving Lafreniere AND Chytil? And why are we talking about removing them, but not talking about what you're getting back? How much better does Kane make the team? Depends on what the RW at the time of the TDL are giving you. If it's the same as last year (Nothing) then you get significantly better by adding Kane, who was not only a 90 point player but a 3x Cup winner and Conn Smythe winner. You can't quantify that experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, rmc51 said: So to clarify: If Lafreniere or Kakko are 35 pt players this year, then fair game for Kane? If 60 pt players, not fair game? Where’s the cutoff? 45-50 pts? That's a silly question and we both know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pete said: And why are we talking about removing them, but not talking about what you're getting back? Because in that situation (where we trade Laf+ for Kane) Laf will be "removed" with nothing coming back AFTER this season. Kane is a pure rental, we can't keep him. 3 minutes ago, Pete said: How much better does Kane make the team? Depends on what the RW at the time of the TDL are giving you. If it's the same as last year (Nothing) then you get significantly better by adding Kane, who was not only a 90 point player but a 3x Cup winner and Conn Smythe winner. You can't quantify that experience. I agree, and don't get me wrong, he definitely makes the team better. But if we're removing 2/3 of last playoffs 3rd line, we're making the team worse in the process of trying to make the team better. I still think the offer I said is fair and is most likely what will happen: 1st cond. 1st two of: Kravtsov, Chytil, Robertson, Cuylle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Because in that situation (where we trade Laf+ for Kane) Laf will be "removed" with nothing coming back AFTER this season. Kane is a pure rental, we can't keep him. That remains to be seen, and something I'm sure would be discussed before sending a player like Lafreniere the other way. Quote I agree, and don't get me wrong, he definitely makes the team better. But if we're removing 2/3 of last playoffs 3rd line, we're making the team worse in the process of trying to make the team better. Again, no one said we should trade Lafreniere AND Chytil for Kane. Quote I still think the offer I said is fair and is most likely what will happen: 1st cond. 1st two of: Kravtsov, Chytil, Robertson, Cuylle These players, today, are crap return for Kane. All that said, the Hawks GM has been making crap deals, so who knows. My point is, if you can add a player of Kane's caliber, you don't let Lafreniere stop you. Edited October 14, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pete said: That's a silly question and we both know it. Why? How are you gauging if they should be fair game come deadline time or not? FWIW if Kakko was a at 25 pts come deadline time and the Rangers are at the top of Metro, I have no hesitation dealing him for Kane. If he’s at 45 pts come deadline time, he’s off the table. Why is this silly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: All that said, the Hawks GM has been making crap deals, so who knows. My point is, if you can add a player of Kane's caliber, you don't let Lafreniere stop you. Well you do when he's 34 and only signed for 6 months. Even if they could magically make it work to keep Kane for a few extra years I still wouldn't include Lafreniere. I just think it's a bad idea. Lafreniere is 21 years old, hopefully he got 12-15 really good years in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Well you do when he's 34 and only signed for 6 months. Even if they could magically make it work to keep Kane for a few extra years I still wouldn't include Lafreniere. I just think it's a bad idea. Lafreniere is 21 years old, hopefully he got 12-15 really good years in him. Lafreniere's role is replaced by Othmann. Right now, he's blocked by CK and Panarin, and Othmann is blocked by Lafreniere. Maybe you wouldn't make that trade, but I would 10/10 times because Kane+Cup+Othmann > Lafreniere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, Pete said: Maybe you wouldn't make that trade, but I would 10/10 times because Kane+Cup+Othmann > Lafreniere. I raise you with 15years of Lafreniere+3cups+Othmann. If we're just automatically adding cups, I feel Lafreniere will help the Rangers win 3 in his 15 years as a Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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