Slobberknocker Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 hmm, trade nemeth. move kakko and get chicago to retain some kane dough, this almost looks doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 man you look at cap friendly and this is basically the girl you're bringing to the dance till 27/28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I don’t see him coming here at this point, no cap room for him at all. Would have been nice to see him playing with Panarin though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Slobberknocker said: hmm, trade nemeth. move kakko and get chicago to retain some kane dough, this almost looks doable. Not sure Kakko is enough to get Kane double-retained through a 3rd team so his cap hit fits at $2.625M. With the moves that Drury made today, it's clear now that the play for Kane is a deadline move. There were options for it to be a full season move, but not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 hours ago, rmc51 said: Not sure Kakko is enough to get Kane double-retained through a 3rd team so his cap hit fits at $2.625M. With the moves that Drury made today, it's clear now that the play for Kane is a deadline move. There were options for it to be a full season move, but not anymore. May not need double retention at the deadline. If they keep enough room open during the year, they should accrue enough space that a simple 50% deal, NYR-CHI, should get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Phil said: May not need double retention at the deadline. If they keep enough room open during the year, they should accrue enough space that a simple 50% deal, NYR-CHI, should get it done. Agree. I meant for a full season on that. At the deadline they can get him half retained like you said and probably for only a 1st and C prospect. Maybe less if he only waives for here. I can’t imagine he wants to do the Hawks any favors right about now after they fucked him over so restrict it to one team to ensure cheap price or walk and they get nothing. Edited July 13, 2022 by rmc51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 1 minute ago, rmc51 said: Agree. I meant for a full season on that. At the deadline they can get him half retained like you said and probably for only a 1st and C prospect. Maybe less if he only waives for here. I can’t imagine he wants to do the Hawks any favors right about now after they fucked him over. Yeah, to get him now, you 100% need a third team for double retention, which they can't really afford to pay for. Reading between the lines with Kane saying he wants to stay in Chicago for now to see how the season goes, this is 100% the play. This is gonna be like the worst kept secret in hockey this season. First-rounder and, like, Lundkvist or something. It's not even gonna take much, because I bet he pulls an MSL and says "New York only." 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: Yeah, to get him now, you 100% need a third team for double retention, which they can't really afford to pay for. Reading between the lines with Kane saying he wants to stay in Chicago for now to see how the season goes, this is 100% the play. This is gonna be like the worst kept secret in hockey this season. First-rounder and, like, Lundkvist or something. It's not even gonna take much, because I bet he pulls an MSL and says "New York only." Yup. Which is why they should find a way to do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsm7302 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Phil said: That narrative is so overplayed....just like it was for.... Gretzky, Lindross, Jagr, Shanahan....etc.... the big player name on the marquee. Yea, we get it. Weekes fails to address the logistics of costs of acquisition and salary caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, jsm7302 said: That narrative is so overplayed....just like it was for.... Gretzky, Lindross, Jagr, Shanahan....etc.... the big player name on the marquee. Yea, we get it. Weekes fails to address the logistics of costs of acquisition and salary caps. Except that all those guys did extremely well. In the case of Kane, I firmly believe this is going to be the worst kept secret in hockey. It's happening. Just not until the deadline for cap purposes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Weekes needs to cool his jets! He'll come here.....in March at the TDL when we go for it! Edit: The boss beat me to it!! Damn, you're fast!! LOL Edited July 15, 2022 by Ozzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Except that all those guys did extremely well. In the case of Kane, I firmly believe this is going to be the worst kept secret in hockey. It's happening. Just not until the deadline for cap purposes. Whats the cost? I'm cap-dumb. How does that work with his salary? We only get hit for the remainder of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, jsm7302 said: Whats the cost? I'm cap-dumb. How does that work with his salary? We only get hit for the remainder of the year? He's in the final year of his deal. $10.5M cap hit. Cap room increases throughout the season, so this depends somewhat on exactly what roster the Rangers ice in terms of their ability to accrue space as the season goes on, but a healthy estimate is around $3.8M of room at the deadline. If Chicago eats as much as 50% of the contract, which I'd imagine they would, it's entirely plausible. The bigger question is who goes the other way to entice them. My guess is one of Kakko or Kravtsov — whoever is the bigger disappointment this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Phil said: He's in the final year of his deal. $10.5M cap hit. Cap room increases throughout the season, so this depends somewhat on exactly what roster the Rangers ice in terms of their ability to accrue space as the season goes on, but a healthy estimate is around $3.8M of room at the deadline. If Chicago eats as much as 50% of the contract, which I'd imagine they would, it's entirely plausible. The bigger question is who goes the other way to entice them. My guess is one of Kakko or Kravtsov — whoever is the bigger disappointment this season. It shouldn’t be one of those 2, unless it’s a disaster, for a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: It shouldn’t be one of those 2, unless it’s a disaster, for a rental. Agreed, but it will be a steep price if Chicago is eating half of the cap hit. Every playoff team and their dog will want to add a productive Patrick Kane at that cost. Impossible to say which prospect(s) as we don't know who is going to continue to develop this season with injuries and opportunities factored in; but I would think two first round picks plus will be the ask(depending on the prospect/player going the other way). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MuddyInTheMiddle said: Agreed, but it will be a steep price if Chicago is eating half of the cap hit. Every playoff team and their dog will want to add a productive Patrick Kane at that cost. Impossible to say which prospect(s) as we don't know who is going to continue to develop this season with injuries and opportunities factored in; but I would think two first round picks plus will be the ask(depending on the prospect/player going the other way). We will see. But they need to avoid sending a roster piece the other way on a rental. Im somewhat encouraged by the lower return Chicago got on Debrincat and Dach. That potentially bodes well for the Rangers. Plus I’m not worried too much about other suitors as Kane gets to pick Edited July 15, 2022 by RangersIn7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: It shouldn’t be one of those 2, unless it’s a disaster, for a rental. Probably not, no, but I'd imagine that's what Chicago will ask for. I suppose you can supplant with Blais and someone like Nils Lundkvist if they still see tremendous upside in him. Blais likely isn't long for the team anyway and you need to clear out at least one RW in the deal to slot in Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 23 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: We will see. But they need to avoid sending a roster piece the other way on a rental. Im somewhat encouraged by the lower return Chicago got on Debrincat and Dach. That potentially bodes well for the Rangers. Plus I’m not worried too much about other suitors as Kane gets to pick They'll likely have to. Assuming one of Lafreniere or Kreider moves right, you have Kakko and Kravtsov still there, plus Blais, and possibly Reaves. Reaves doesn't matter, but all the others do. Is Blais going to be a healthy scratch for your team, with Kravtsov or Kakko on your fourth line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 If Kravtsov lights it up, he's going the other way in a deal for Kane. There are two teams involved here, and we're getting the better player, so it's unrealistic to this Chicago is going to take our "disappointment" and retain half Kane's cap hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 https://nypost.com/2022/07/14/chris-drury-needs-to-give-rangers-cushion-for-deadline-deals/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: He's in the final year of his deal. $10.5M cap hit. Cap room increases throughout the season, so this depends somewhat on exactly what roster the Rangers ice in terms of their ability to accrue space as the season goes on, but a healthy estimate is around $3.8M of room at the deadline. If Chicago eats as much as 50% of the contract, which I'd imagine they would, it's entirely plausible. The bigger question is who goes the other way to entice them. My guess is one of Kakko or Kravtsov — whoever is the bigger disappointment this season. Well, that sounds like a no brainer honestly. Maybe they will need a D man instead?? Like a Lundkvist? Considering what we just paid for Copp, this is going to be a HAUL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 15, 2022 Author Share Posted July 15, 2022 56 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: Well, that sounds like a no brainer honestly. Maybe they will need a D man instead?? Like a Lundkvist? Considering what we just paid for Copp, this is going to be a HAUL. Not the same scenario. Copp was open market. Multiple bidders. From what we know now, Kane only wants the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyInTheMiddle Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Phil said: Not the same scenario. Copp was open market. Multiple bidders. From what we know now, Kane only wants the Rangers. I completely overlooked that detail in my last post, and it is great to have the bread man as a pull. In all fairness though, that is what he is saying now(supposedly). It might be a different scenario when the trade deadline comes around and he sees the landscape a little better about who has the best chance to win the cup. I have to assume that winning the Stanley Cup will take precedence over playing on Bread's off wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: If Kravtsov lights it up, he's going the other way in a deal for Kane. There are two teams involved here, and we're getting the better player, so it's unrealistic to this Chicago is going to take our "disappointment" and retain half Kane's cap hit. Absolutely not. If Kravtsov lights it up, he’s not going anywhere for a rental. Kane holds the cards. If he forces the move to New York, Chicago can choose to take a fair price or simply get nothing. Kane might be the best option at the deadline, but he will not be the only one for the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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