josh Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 #boom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, josh said: #boom Be careful. Alf might read that as bon bon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, Keirik said: Be careful. Alf might read that as bon bon Blame Pete. I'm just following the leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, josh said: Blame Pete. I'm just following the leader. You want to read another 17 page argument, don’t you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Tonight is actually one of Laf’s better games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, josh said: Blame Pete. I'm just following the leader. It's a shame you don't pick up any of the good habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 82 career games in, 18 goals and 11 assists theres still a lot of work but if any rookie came in in their first season with 18 goals I think most would say that’s a good start. the hands are there, the rest will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 11, 2021 Author Share Posted December 11, 2021 I'm afraid it doesn't really work like that when the 82 games are spread across two seasons, and there doesn't look like there's any growth at all between season 1 and season 2. Again, the eyeball test tells a very different story. Even if you looked at the replays of a lot of his goals, they're gimmies. Yeah great that he's going to the net, but it's not like he's picking a corner... The one the Bruins (?) gave him off his face in OT...Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 It's not even so much that, his stats are worrisome. It's the effort and the lack of making any impact at all. I don't care how few players actually go down to the A. He's one of them that should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 His learning is going to be slow until top 6 minutes and PP time in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, josh said: His learning is going to be slow until top 6 minutes and PP time in the NHL. Yeah it’s kind of the chicken and the egg thing. If he deserved top 6 minutes he’d see it. All that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Keirik said: Yeah it’s kind of the chicken and the egg thing. If he deserved top 6 minutes he’d see it. All that stuff. He's third on the team in goals with his limited minutes. What message does send him down send? He has little offensive support on his line. That's well established with both Chytil and Gauthier, and Blais, Howden, Diguiseppe, etc. And attempts to move him to RW were more detrimental than beneficial. It would take little adjustment to get him 2 more minutes a game and it would be great for him and the team, especially long term. Split up the pp units. Two powerful units. Guys still get their touches, but the kids get more. Heck, even Zibanejad gets more touches. This stops the 2 minute PP unit followed by jumled lines. Because they stay out there the entire time, if there is another penalty in that period, they might role through the regular lines maybe twice. The 3rd line always suffers. And then we see gassed panarin put there at the end of games trying to defend. No reason that unit needs to blow their load now. Long season. Save their legs. Split the PP. You have 2 top pp units, 1 min each. Saves energy for the top guy, gets kids offensive looks. This allows lines to flow. You can even come back with line 1 or 2. Naturally, this will spread out ice time among the top 3 lines. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) ** posted at the same time Josh, I just respectfully disagree. All jokes aside, he's done nothing but play himself out of top six mins and he's certainly not deserving of top pp time. I would love for him to succeed and I'm not saying he's a bust but a glimpse of being a difference maker would be a nice surprise every now and then. Most nights he's just there regardless of who he's playing with. Edited December 12, 2021 by jsrangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I'm not saying to put him in the top 6. The success of the top 6 is why the team is in first. A small switch in how players are deployed now will only benefit them all in May and June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 He's hot trash right now. Everyone knows it. The message sending him down sends is that when players are in good enough to play in the nhl, they should develop in the AHL. It's not a foreign message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, josh said: He's third on the team in goals with his limited minutes. What message does send him down send? He has little offensive support on his line. That's well established with both Chytil and Gauthier, and Blais, Howden, Diguiseppe, etc. And attempts to move him to RW were more detrimental than beneficial. It would take little adjustment to get him 2 more minutes a game and it would be great for him and the team, especially long term. Split up the pp units. Two powerful units. Guys still get their touches, but the kids get more. Heck, even Zibanejad gets more touches. This stops the 2 minute PP unit followed by jumled lines. Because they stay out there the entire time, if there is another penalty in that period, they might role through the regular lines maybe twice. The 3rd line always suffers. And then we see gassed panarin put there at the end of games trying to defend. No reason that unit needs to blow their load now. Long season. Save their legs. Split the PP. You have 2 top pp units, 1 min each. Saves energy for the top guy, gets kids offensive looks. This allows lines to flow. You can even come back with line 1 or 2. Naturally, this will spread out ice time among the top 3 lines. It’s not just about a message. I’m not worried about what this says to the player. He’s likely been told he’s the best thing since sliced bread his whole life. A little humbling might help. It’s about him gaining some confidence and playing more. Invites Getting him more reps than 3rd line minutes. Canadiens weren’t afraid to do it with Caufield. We did it years in the past with Kreider. I’m sure if it happened CK would be making a call to Alf for encouragement. Why should the entire team change around just so he gets more reps? He’s just not simply good enough right now to deserve that. We are one of the top teams in the league. Sure you can make a case to say if it ain’t broke (team’ then don’t fix it. However, I personally think a few weeks in the A might be the difference between him remembering how to use his talents and him forever being buried here. It’s probably the only time I’d think it is a good idea to send him down. We are a top team. It has very little to do with ALF really. If we stunk then play the hell out of him. But we can afford for him to take a slight pause with him and not have it really ruin the team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 He's been successful doing something his entire life. He's put in a different spot and there's different results. "I dont care about him. Humble him. Send him down. It will build his confidence" What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 The changes in ice time should be made regardless. It's been obvious. Same issue under Quinn. And everyone sits around wonder why that period sucked when there were 2 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, josh said: He's been successful doing something his entire life. He's put in a different spot and there's different results. "I dont care about him. Humble him. Send him down. It will build his confidence" What? I’m not sure how this is confusing. Kind of feels like you’re being difficult to be difficult He will be upset at first I’m sure. But long term picture, sending him down lets him play more, especially against talent he is superior to and find his game again against lesser talent. That reinforces a lot more for future good hockey than it does wallowing and being a non factor every game. As I said, if the effort was there I’d have no problem with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Keirik said: I’m not sure how this is confusing. Kind of feels like you’re being difficult to be difficult He will be upset at first I’m sure. But long term picture, sending him down lets him play more, especially against talent he is superior to and find his game again against lesser talent. That reinforces a lot more for future good hockey than it does wallowing and being a non factor every game. As I said, if the effort was there I’d have no problem with him. He's already done a lot of dominating inferior talent. He's playing a regular shift with two pretty good young players right now (he stands out as the least effective of the players on that unit). He should be able to develop where he is. I don't see how giving him undeserved time with the first line or PP unit is going to magically spur development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ERIK- Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Saw this posted elsewhere thought it was interesting Even strength points through first 82 games: 29 - Stamkos 29 - Tavares 29 - Lafreniere GWGs through first 82 games: 7 - Lafreniere 6 - Crosby/Hall/Ovechkin/MacKinnon 4 - Ekblad/Kane 3 - Hischier/Erik Johnson 2 - Tavares/Yakupov 1 - Stamkos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, Sod16 said: He's already done a lot of dominating inferior talent. He's playing a regular shift with two pretty good young players right now (he stands out as the least effective of the players on that unit). He should be able to develop where he is. I don't see how giving him undeserved time with the first line or PP unit is going to magically spur development. What development have you noticed in him from last year to this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, br-avery said: Saw this posted elsewhere thought it was interesting Even strength points through first 82 games: 29 - Stamkos 29 - Tavares 29 - Lafreniere GWGs through first 82 games: 7 - Lafreniere 6 - Crosby/Hall/Ovechkin/MacKinnon 4 - Ekblad/Kane 3 - Hischier/Erik Johnson 2 - Tavares/Yakupov 1 - Stamkos Text is white. Cant read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Even strength points through first 82 games: 29 - Stamkos 29 - Tavares 29 - Lafreniere GWGs through first 82 games: 7 - Lafreniere 6 - Crosby/Hall/Ovechkin/MacKinnon 4 - Ekblad/Kane 3 - Hischier/Erik Johnson 2 - Tavares/Yakupov 1 - Stamkos @br-avery this is what you posted I think right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Keirik said: What development have you noticed in him from last year to this year? None, really. There was development during the season last year but then something of a stall. I don't see a change in where he's playing -- whether a step up to the first line or a step down to the AHL -- as something that will enhance his development over where he is now. We'll just have to see what happens. I'm not concerned with the stats and how many goals Tavares or Stamkos had scored at what point. I'm concerned with the eye test. As many have pointed out, the flashes you would hope to see, even if he's not having an overall impact, are missing. Jack Hughes has showed a lot of weaknesses and need for development, but the flashes have always been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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