Pistol Pete Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, LindG1000 said: So you can't adjust to one, but it barely moved, which in theory would make it....more likely to be stopped because a puck that moves less is more likely to hit you if you're in position? To get technical, for an 80mph shot from the top of the circles, a goalie has .09 seconds to react…in reality, the human body can’t react that quickly…so, goalies go by reading the release of the puck. You learn to know where a shot is going before it leaves the stick by the way the stick is releasing. So, when you get a slight deflection like that one, you have absolutely no clue where it’s deflecting to and therefore, no time to react…granted, that shot wasn’t 80mph, but the average NHL goalie can react in .2 seconds (far longer than .09). Even putting Shesty above average, he’s not even breaking .16. You watch any great save on a deflection and you’ll see the puck hits the goalie and then the goalie reacts, making it look like they reacted to the deflection and made a great save. The save by Bob on the deflection by Zib wasn’t a reaction save, it as a position save…Bob read the pass, put his glove 13 inches off the ice (because the goalie pad is 11 inches and players are taught to deflect it just above the pads and below the glove, and the puck just went right into his glove…if that puck is deflected anywhere else, Bob has no shot at a save, just hopes it hits him… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Pistol Pete said: To get technical, for an 80mph shot from the top of the circles, a goalie has .09 seconds to react…in reality, the human body can’t react that quickly…so, goalies go by reading the release of the puck. You learn to know where a shot is going before it leaves the stick by the way the stick is releasing. So, when you get a slight deflection like that one, you have absolutely no clue where it’s deflecting to and therefore, no time to react…granted, that shot wasn’t 80mph, but the average NHL goalie can react in .2 seconds (far longer than .09). Even putting Shesty above average, he’s not even breaking .16. You watch any great save on a deflection and you’ll see the puck hits the goalie and then the goalie reacts, making it look like they reacted to the deflection and made a great save. The save by Bob on the deflection by Zib wasn’t a reaction save, it as a position save…Bob read the pass, put his glove 13 inches off the ice (because the goalie pad is 11 inches and players are taught to deflect it just above the pads and below the glove, and the puck just went right into his glove…if that puck is deflected anywhere else, Bob has no shot at a save, just hopes it hits him… no.one.cares.it.was.a.soft.goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Tired of Glider Kreider. How about some intensity on the ice? The Panthers are a great example of how you need to play. Hope you took notes fucko. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I just watched 3 replays of that goal. That’s on Igor come on that’s really fucking bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausman Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Pistol Pete said: To get technical, for an 80mph shot from the top of the circles, a goalie has .09 seconds to react…in reality, the human body can’t react that quickly…so, goalies go by reading the release of the puck. You learn to know where a shot is going before it leaves the stick by the way the stick is releasing. So, when you get a slight deflection like that one, you have absolutely no clue where it’s deflecting to and therefore, no time to react…granted, that shot wasn’t 80mph, but the average NHL goalie can react in .2 seconds (far longer than .09). Even putting Shesty above average, he’s not even breaking .16. You watch any great save on a deflection and you’ll see the puck hits the goalie and then the goalie reacts, making it look like they reacted to the deflection and made a great save. The save by Bob on the deflection by Zib wasn’t a reaction save, it as a position save…Bob read the pass, put his glove 13 inches off the ice (because the goalie pad is 11 inches and players are taught to deflect it just above the pads and below the glove, and the puck just went right into his glove…if that puck is deflected anywhere else, Bob has no shot at a save, just hopes it hits him… Appreciate the explanation, Pete. And I think 99% of the time that’s the way it works, I’m sure. Still think he shoulda had it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Pete Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Just now, ausman said: Appreciate the explanation, Pete. And I think 99% of the time that’s the way it works, I’m sure. Still think he shoulda had it though. We can say that, and he’ll even say that, but the reality and science support he had no chance on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) I'll go with Vally's take who continues to say he should of had it, calls it a bad goal and that from that distance you want your goalie to stop it 100/100 irregardless of Trouba. Made it seem like no stop watch required. Edited March 5 by Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Pistol Pete said: We can say that, and he’ll even say that, but the reality and science support he had no chance on it. I'll give you that it's not as bad as we initially thought, but he had plenty of time to react. He may have thought it was going wide, but he was loose and nonchalant and he knows it. A focused goaltender stays on his toes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, Pistol Pete said: To get technical, for an 80mph shot from the top of the circles, a goalie has .09 seconds to react…in reality, the human body can’t react that quickly…so, goalies go by reading the release of the puck. You learn to know where a shot is going before it leaves the stick by the way the stick is releasing. So, when you get a slight deflection like that one, you have absolutely no clue where it’s deflecting to and therefore, no time to react…granted, that shot wasn’t 80mph, but the average NHL goalie can react in .2 seconds (far longer than .09). Even putting Shesty above average, he’s not even breaking .16. You watch any great save on a deflection and you’ll see the puck hits the goalie and then the goalie reacts, making it look like they reacted to the deflection and made a great save. The save by Bob on the deflection by Zib wasn’t a reaction save, it as a position save…Bob read the pass, put his glove 13 inches off the ice (because the goalie pad is 11 inches and players are taught to deflect it just above the pads and below the glove, and the puck just went right into his glove…if that puck is deflected anywhere else, Bob has no shot at a save, just hopes it hits him… So what you're saying is that the deflection that barely deflected wouldn't have gone in had Shesterkin actually read the release properly and been ready. Look, I'm all for understanding the physics of the game, but we can just admit that Shesterkin, as one of the 15 or so best in the world at this, should probably have had a sub-70MPH shot from 50 feet out. Even with the minor deflection, it's a soft goal and one you expect Shesterkin to get. Move the guy 20 feet forward, and he fires from the dot? Sure, I buy your argument. Not from that far. Hell, if you really want to get into the math of it - the average NHL shot is around 80mph, as you noted. That shot was not 80 - we both agree there. That shot was, conservatively, 70mph, from around 50 feet out (twice the radius of the circle, plus the hashes, plus the distance from the circle to the goalie). 70 miles per hour is 102.67 feet per second. That puck travels 50 feet in around .48 seconds, and Trouba deflects it very early, meaning that Shesterkin would have had nearly double the reaction time you say is required to make that save. It's a bad goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If Valliquette called it soft, I take his word for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) It’s a loss squarely on Igor, who had an otherwise not difficult night. Team in front of him played good hockey against another top team. Made a small handful of mistakes all game, that play wasn’t one of them. Goalie needs to stop it. That said, I hated the response of the team which was to roll over and play circle jerk in the neutral zone. Where was the physicality that beat the devils in this game? Sure, your goalie gives up a shit goal. Go out there and get it back. Was an otherwise awesome game to watch Edited March 5 by Valriera 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I’m watching kreiders interview and I’m not sure the guy is even sweating, he looks fucking fantastic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueshirts1926 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Laviolette needs to to send a message Zibanejad - Panthers 2nd goal does not happen if Zib on the PK skates and ties the puck up in the corner - not worth 8.5 million, 1 point in last 6 games and if he is lucky he may make 70 points this year base on his downward spiral Krieder - for 6.5 million a year he flat out needs to play harder (don/t care he finally scored tonight) if he is lucky he may make 75 points this year base on his downward spiral Fox - The way he skates he must have led in them I will take 5 Trochecks any day over 5 Ck or Zib. So it's time to move the first down to the 3rd/4th line and limit Fox's TOI since he does not want to skate. Let's see who Drury makes a magic deal with because Henrique is not a difference maker for the long haul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 16 minutes ago, Blueshirts1926 said: Laviolette needs to to send a message Zibanejad - Panthers 2nd goal does not happen if Zib on the PK skates and ties the puck up in the corner - not worth 8.5 million, 1 point in last 6 games and if he is lucky he may make 70 points this year base on his downward spiral Krieder - for 6.5 million a year he flat out needs to play harder (don/t care he finally scored tonight) if he is lucky he may make 75 points this year base on his downward spiral Fox - The way he skates he must have led in them I will take 5 Trochecks any day over 5 Ck or Zib. So it's time to move the first down to the 3rd/4th line and limit Fox's TOI since he does not want to skate. Let's see who Drury makes a magic deal with because Henrique is not a difference maker for the long haul You must be fun at parties 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 19 minutes ago, Blueshirts1926 said: Laviolette needs to to send a message Zibanejad - Panthers 2nd goal does not happen if Zib on the PK skates and ties the puck up in the corner - not worth 8.5 million, 1 point in last 6 games and if he is lucky he may make 70 points this year base on his downward spiral Krieder - for 6.5 million a year he flat out needs to play harder (don/t care he finally scored tonight) if he is lucky he may make 75 points this year base on his downward spiral Fox - The way he skates he must have led in them I will take 5 Trochecks any day over 5 Ck or Zib. So it's time to move the first down to the 3rd/4th line and limit Fox's TOI since he does not want to skate. Let's see who Drury makes a magic deal with because Henrique is not a difference maker for the long haul 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knedragon Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Tom Carvel even called it a soft goal ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 A really good one tonight for 40 minutes before the Cats decided to put the clamps on us. Basically it was a 2-2 game until Igor's Viagra wore off. Make no mistake, gang; that was a fucking softee. That shot hit the net with the force of a fucking jelly donut! Simply put: Igor has to stop that...EVERY TIME! Thankfully it wasn't a playoff game! And here are the Top 14 nominees for tonight's “Ozzy Quote of the GDT”, sponsored by Kraft; makers of the finest Swiss Cheese... 3 hours ago, mbob said: Edstrum picked up the spare bowling em over. 3 hours ago, siddious said: He went to the net which is new territory for him. I guess it’s progress. 3 hours ago, Pete said: I saw him... Kneeling down in front of Tkachuk. 2 hours ago, siddious said: It is… pride night after all 2 hours ago, Bugg said: No telling when Wes McCauley Wes McCauleys. 2 hours ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: You realize he was at the end of a shift, of course you don’t 2 hours ago, siddious said: See I shit talk and they wake up 2 hours ago, siddious said: He will Find a way to go offsides during the raising of his jersey! 1 hour ago, phillyb said: Here for the third. Lets fucking go. It looks like Cousins still has his teeth. Hoping for some new dental insurance claims for that little shit tomorrow. LGR 1 hour ago, LindG1000 said: I'm just here for Matt Rempe endangering more Panthers. 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: Joe Biden could have completed a speech before that puck got to Igor and it still beat him 1 hour ago, siddious said: Say what you want about Gallant but at least he didn’t continually play the backup like laviolette insists on doing. 1 hour ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: Vally calling out Shesterkin on that one but don’t worry, Pistol Pete says he had no chance 3 minutes ago, knedragon said: Tom Carvel even called it a soft goal ! Tough pill to swallow tonight, in a measuring stick kind of game. It sure looks like we have some ground to cover before we get into the post season! It still feels like we're handling the puck like a grenade, and our outlet passes have much to be desired. A good game for K'Andre; I though he looked pretty good all night. Trouba needs to get his shit together a little bit. I feel like he's been lost in the sauce the last week or so. The winning quote for tonight’s GDT goes to Pete @siddious, who made me actually visualize Kreider's jersey hanging crooked because he went offside! It's gonna be a long ass 4 days! Cue the following threads: "Igor Sucks" "Panarin can't play in the playoffs" "Kakko Blows" "Fox's chin is too big" 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsim1967 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 If you're going to lose to the Panthers, this is a good time to lose. Means nothing, and hopefully they will learn from it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 56 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Panarin can't play in the playoffs Wow. Well I guess all see the light eventually, welcome aboard Ozzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Panarin can't play in the playoffs (Head shaving worked this season. Maybe he needs to shave his balls for the playoffs.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 These fuckers don’t play again until Saturday? Fack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 36 minutes ago, phillyb said: These fuckers don’t play again until Saturday? Fack. Today is a good day to make a trade so incoming players have a few days to practice before first game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Last night was a good game. That team doesn't scare me over a seven game series. It came down to a soft goal. They're also some really questionable penalties that probably don't get called in the playoffs (Rempe trip). Get Wennberg and Vatrano. They don't need some type of crazy overhaul. Just add around the margins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 9 hours ago, ausman said: On the other hand, there was a clear hook that caused the turnover that led to that third Panther goal, so… Although true; there are missed calls both ways all game long. We just got unlucky that this one turned into a goal against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 21 minutes ago, Pete said: Last night was a good game. That team doesn't scare me over a seven game series. It came down to a soft goal. They're also some really questionable penalties that probably don't get called in the playoffs (Rempe trip). Get Wennberg and Vatrano. They don't need some type of crazy overhaul. Just add around the margins. Agreed. Drury doesn't need to go crazy at the deadline this year as he has the last couple. I hope he knows that. lol Too bad to lose, but shit happens and they're playing a good team. They didn't make a ton of mistakes, but the ones they did make, went in. That's how it goes sometimes. Igor was due for a clunker. Better now against these guys than in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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