Br4d Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Drury has to be considering compatibility with the next coach and Roy is one of those guys that you just don't know about based on his short tenure in Colorado. The safe move from that angle is Knoblauch. The open question is whether Knoblauch can budge the vets even an inch off of their preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Or maybe he'll build in some systems and philosophies that compliment those preferences ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 13 hours ago, The Dude said: Im hearing the Rangers have been in contact with a "Noel Queenvale" to discuss her interest in the Rangers head coaching job. Very little is known of this candidate except for the obvious... Well you know.. beautiful hair. couldnt think of an easier way to get accepted back into the NHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) So the guy who couldn't get over the top in Boston is about to win the cup. Using the same system he couldn't get over the top with in Boston. Coaching is so over-rated. If the players are willing and you get lucky you have a shot and if they're not or you don't you don't and it doesn't matter what system you have in place. Edited June 11, 2023 by Br4d 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bugg Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, siddious said: Who ever this is, looks like a bad day at the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Br4d said: So the guy who couldn't get over the top in Boston is about to win the cup. Using the same system he couldn't get over the top with in Boston. Coaching is so over-rated. If the players are willing and you get lucky you have a shot and if they're not or you don't you don't and it doesn't matter what system you have in place. Actually it's the coaches system that's the difference between a team that missed the playoffs last year, and the team that's making a career backup goalie look like a Vezina candidate. And what do both SCF coaches have, that GG didn't... Systems! Edited June 11, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Couldn't get Boston over the top. Lost in the finals in game 7. What a scrub. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, Long live the King said: Couldn't get Boston over the top. Lost in the finals in game 7. What a scrub. Gallant lost in a SCF too, and you think he doesn’t coach or have a system. Cassidy is totally different though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Gallant lost in a SCF too, and you think he doesn’t coach or have a system. Cassidy is totally different though. Totally. He has a system don't you know? Whereas GG just kicks his players out on the ice and yells at them when they don't play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 31 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Gallant lost in a SCF too, and you think he doesn’t coach or have a system. Cassidy is totally different though. 11 minutes ago, Br4d said: Totally. He has a system don't you know? Whereas GG just kicks his players out on the ice and yells at them when they don't play well. I don't have to think anything. The players literally asked for more direction in their exit interviews. Hence why GG is jobless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, Long live the King said: I don't have to think anything. The players literally asked for more direction in their exit interviews. Hence why GG is jobless. Which players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Which players? Why does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Pete said: Why does it matter? Because in the absence of knowing who made the request the distinct possibility arises that nobody made the request. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Br4d said: Because in the absence of knowing who made the request the distinct possibility arises that nobody made the request. You're probably right, the reporters probably made it up. The assumptions and leaps in logic you make are pretty impressive. Edited June 11, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) I'm looking at Mollie Walker's tweet that started the whole meme and she doesn't say they did she says "it sounds like they did". That's a huge difference and we don't have any evidence that it actually happened. If you're Chris Drury and you just fired a 217 pt HC and then you give it on background that it was the players despite the loud altercation you had with the HC mid-series, well that starts to look pretty suspicious - shifting the blame from your clear choice to the players. And we don't even know that he did this - which makes the whole tweet kind of iffy. Edited June 11, 2023 by Br4d 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Penn State's national championships in 1982 and 1986 can involve a discussion of Sandusky. If/when Quenneville achieves success at his next position, the situation in Chicago can be revisited. Given the available pool, I would rather the Rangers went in another direction. I can rationalize Quenneville pursuing his coaching career, and not want it to be with the Rangers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 57 minutes ago, Br4d said: I'm looking at Mollie Walker's tweet that started the whole meme and she doesn't say they did she says "it sounds like they did". That's a huge difference and we don't have any evidence that it actually happened. If you're Chris Drury and you just fired a 217 pt HC and then you give it on background that it was the players despite the loud altercation you had with the HC mid-series, well that starts to look pretty suspicious - shifting the blame from your clear choice to the players. And we don't even know that he did this - which makes the whole tweet kind of iffy. Look, I get Gallant's record. But in an NHL with the loser's point, not really much of an achievement. And this team left lots of points on the table. Had that ugly post-Thanksgiving disaster at home to the Oilers. They were awful through much of the early season prior to Trouba's helmet fling. And they had several nights as the season went on where lesser teams in terms of the standings physically dominated them, like the Sens and Jets. It was the same crap we saw vs. the Devils; no breakout, perimeter nonsense, getting outmuscled. You can say "Drury didn't have a plan!", but bringing back Gallant wasn't going to work. Nothing would be any different. The players had tuned him out. The players, well, that's another thing altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Br4d said: I'm looking at Mollie Walker's tweet that started the whole meme and she doesn't say they did she says "it sounds like they did". That's a huge difference and we don't have any evidence that it actually happened. If you're Chris Drury and you just fired a 217 pt HC and then you give it on background that it was the players despite the loud altercation you had with the HC mid-series, well that starts to look pretty suspicious - shifting the blame from your clear choice to the players. And we don't even know that he did this - which makes the whole tweet kind of iffy. That's ridiculous. She's a reputable reporter working for a major newspaper. She's not going to put a tweet out there without any credence behind it. You're trying to make Gallant's firing into some kind of mystery. There is no mystery. Listen to Vince's last podcast. Gallant was fired because: He couldn't work with the player's strengths He couldn't adapt His system was too simplistic The players had input The players didn't like all the line juggling Vince notes more line combinations over the past 2 years than at any time he's ever covered the team Play here's noted that it's hard to develop chemistry when the lines are always shifting Lack of accountability, it was always everybody else's fault, or the schedule, or other teams are struggling, too Shesterkin the main reason they were successful the last 2 years. One of the best rosters in the NHL But he also said players held blame. But he said GG wasn't the guy. This is a guy who follows the team everyday for a living, so I'll go with what he's reporting over any narrative you're trying to push here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 The players had definitely tuned GG out by the end and letting him go was probably inevitable. That said, if the Rangers don't make this have a real cost for the vets also nothing is going to change. Both Quinn and GG wanted the players to forecheck hard in a 1-2-2. The difference between the two was that Quinn was very conservative and happy to have the defenders easily relinquish the zone whereas GG wanted them to keep the puck in the zone and send it back down the boards. This resulted in more turnovers and breakaways for the opposing team because when you're trying to keep the puck in the zone you've got a real chance at getting caught flat-footed and in a race the other way. The thing that never worked well in either coaches tenure was consistency in the forecheck. Not enough of the players were willing to do the hard work on the boards and everybody has to buy in or it just isn't going to work. When GG was yelling at Trocheck in game 7 it was probably because he had prior experience with Tro and knew that he understood what needed to be done. Of course Tro's linemates needed to participate as well and Tro could easily have been yelling back "I'm trying, but..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, siddious said: Are they referring to another trial? Unless this guy can seriously clear his name, he can go piss up a flagpole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 42 minutes ago, Br4d said: The players had definitely tuned GG out by the end and letting him go was probably inevitable. That said, if the Rangers don't make this have a real cost for the vets also nothing is going to change. Both Quinn and GG wanted the players to forecheck hard in a 1-2-2. The difference between the two was that Quinn was very conservative and happy to have the defenders easily relinquish the zone whereas GG wanted them to keep the puck in the zone and send it back down the boards. This resulted in more turnovers and breakaways for the opposing team because when you're trying to keep the puck in the zone you've got a real chance at getting caught flat-footed and in a race the other way. The thing that never worked well in either coaches tenure was consistency in the forecheck. Not enough of the players were willing to do the hard work on the boards and everybody has to buy in or it just isn't going to work. When GG was yelling at Trocheck in game 7 it was probably because he had prior experience with Tro and knew that he understood what needed to be done. Of course Tro's linemates needed to participate as well and Tro could easily have been yelling back "I'm trying, but..." Please provide sources for anything you're saying these coaches wanted. You're being oddly specific with forechecking schemes and where so where's the receipts? Seems crazy that you were able to infer this all from TV, and get the players were saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slobberknocker Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Actually I heard Drury is not going to name a head coach but have a four-man rotation system this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Slobberknocker said: Actually I heard Drury is not going to name a head coach but have a four-man rotation system this year Knoblauch, Allaire, Ray from security in section 312 and John from the apparel store out front. All have shown good leadership qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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