Pete Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 6 hours ago, rmc51 said: You want to give the equivalent of 4 1st round picks for 2-3 months of Kane along with a guy who looks washed and is worth pretty little in a trade right now. That’s just no bueno. I also never said Kakko was bad, but I wouldn’t blame anyone for having that opinion. That being your takeaway from stuff I’ve said about him kind of just proves my point though that Rangers fans in general right now are incapable of critiquing young players who have been hyped up or drafted high. They get attached and so badly want to be contrarian to the “NY fans and media can’t be patient!” stigma, that it has to be optimism full of rainbows and butterflies all of the time. Critique is mischaracterized as hatred or dislike. You're arguing yourself into a corner. Nothing here response to my previous post about what those players are, and what we be moving them for, and the reasons why we'd be moving them. I don't care where the players were picked, we're 5 years into number 72 and 3 years into number 24.. at the point we be trading them they would have massively underperformed. That would be the entire impetus for trading them. Fact of the matter is as a straight-up hockey trade, it makes complete sense for both teams. Try arguing the trade on merit, because you pretty much can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I think if they trade them it should be for players who are going to be here longer than a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Remember when all/most of us celebrated when NJ won the lottery, leaving us at 2, and we all knew we'd be getting Kakko at 2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Still don’t have money for expensive long term contracts until we move out Kreider and/or Trouba in a couple years. It’s going to be rentals for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Pete said: You're arguing yourself into a corner. Nothing here response to my previous post about what those players are, and what we be moving them for, and the reasons why we'd be moving them. I don't care where the players were picked, we're 5 years into number 72 and 3 years into number 24.. at the point we be trading them they would have massively underperformed. That would be the entire impetus for trading them. Fact of the matter is as a straight-up hockey trade, it makes complete sense for both teams. Try arguing the trade on merit, because you pretty much can't. The 4 1st rounder statement wasn’t based on where they were drafted. It’s current approximate value of each player, with possibly a slightly overvaluation on Lundkvist. Do you have a couple examples of trades for pure rentals at the deadline that required such a return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, rmc51 said: The 4 1st rounder statement wasn’t based on where they were drafted. It’s current approximate value of each player, with possibly a slightly overvaluation on Lundkvist. Do you have a couple examples of trades for pure rentals at the deadline that required such a return? The whole narrative we hear often about players like that and how “their value drops” or “they won’t get much for him” is often bullshit. It comes from GM’s and the like who make those comments deliberately to the media to try and manipulate the market. What has happened with Lundkvist that has dropped his value exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 hours ago, rmc51 said: The 4 1st rounder statement wasn’t based on where they were drafted. It’s current approximate value of each player, with possibly a slightly overvaluation on Lundkvist. Do you have a couple examples of trades for pure rentals at the deadline that required such a return? Wait... So I'm clear... You think Chytil and Kakko are worth the return of a 1st? I already said ... Look what it cost to get Copp. First, conditional, young roster player. I'd imagine Toews would require similar. Now adding Kane you need the additional pic, the additional roster player, and Nils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 34 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: The whole narrative we hear often about players like that and how “their value drops” or “they won’t get much for him” is often bullshit. It comes from GM’s and the like who make those comments deliberately to the media to try and manipulate the market. What has happened with Lundkvist that has dropped his value exactly? He didn’t stick in the NHL. Passed up by a kid a year and a half younger. Not overly productive on the stat sheet as an offensive defenseman in the AHL. These are the kinds of optics that might decrease trade value. He’s still a nice prospect, but maybe not that bluechip he was tabbed as going into last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Pete said: Wait... So I'm clear... You think Chytil and Kakko are worth the return of a 1st? I already said ... Look what it cost to get Copp. First, conditional, young roster player. I'd imagine Toews would require similar. Now adding Kane you need the additional pic, the additional roster player, and Nils. Copp was a 2nd, a conditional 2nd, and a C-level prospect. The conditional on the 2nd was very unlikely to be triggered to be a 1st, so let’s not pretend Copp cost the equivalent of a 1st++ when the deal was made. Not a good example or an answer to my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Copp was a 2nd, a conditional 2nd, and a C-level prospect. The conditional on the 2nd was very unlikely to be triggered to be a 1st, so let’s not pretend Copp cost the equivalent of a 1st++ when the deal was made. Not a good example or an answer to my question. Stop it. I think the example is fine. So we'll agree to disagree. Realistically by the TDL, if Kakko and Chytil are moved, it's a 1st, two 3rd liners, and a prospect for Kane and Toews with retention. In no world is that overpayment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 35 minutes ago, rmc51 said: He didn’t stick in the NHL. Passed up by a kid a year and a half younger. Not overly productive on the stat sheet as an offensive defenseman in the AHL. These are the kinds of optics that might decrease trade value. He’s still a nice prospect, but maybe not that bluechip he was tabbed as going into last year. Yeah I get it Just don’t think when that happens to kids his age for 1st time in NA, it harms their value very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: Yeah I get it Just don’t think when that happens to kids his age for 1st time in NA, it harms their value very much. Maybe not. He is 22 now though. I’m not sure what happens to his value if he’s in the AHL all year next season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Maybe not. He is 22 now though. I’m not sure what happens to his value if he’s in the AHL all year next season though. It all depends how he does. If he’s stuck there, but playing well and there’s an obvious improvement, it probably helps his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Frank Seravalli did his predictions for the season, and put this near the top of his list. Quote 2. It’s Showtime on Broadway. Patrick Kane will be traded to the New York Rangers and sign a long-term extension. He’ll be reunited with Artemi Panarin to chase a fourth career Stanley Cup. https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/32-bold-predictions-auston-matthews-to-sign-nhls-first-ever-max-contract/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Oh yeah Frank? What does that extension look like lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Long term Long term? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Valriera said: Oh yeah Frank? What does that extension look like lol. Yea woukd be awesome but I just don’t see how that’s possible unless the cap goes up significantly this year which it won’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I’m all for making a move for him as a rental at the deadline to try and push us over the top. On top of being one of the games best players, he is one of the best big game players of all time. That being said, I haven’t got a single clue how the hell it would ever work long-term though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Maybe he would play for an unlimited supply of henrik’s hair treatments and league minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 It's probably the worst kept secret in the NHL that Kane is being traded to the Rangers. It's just a matter of for who & when it happens. More than likely it's at the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 minute ago, RJWantsTheCup said: It's probably the worst kept secret in the NHL that Kane is being traded to the Rangers. It's just a matter of for who & when it happens. More than likely it's at the deadline. I’ve felt this way about two guys prior: Jagr and Nash. And that feeling was that it was more of when, not if, they were going to end up Rangers. It just makes a lot of sense for us, as a team ready to take the next step. And it makes a lot of sense for Kane, who is going to want to win and play on a big stage come playoff time. Offseason and future contract is a whole different ball of wax. I personally don’t see how it works at all here long term. But, by the deadline, I’m at the point I anticipate Drury swinging trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Put me in with you guys. I think it's a dunk shot Kane's coming here too. Deadline deal....pretty much, just a matter of who, and what picks are going over the fence. As far as an extension goes, I'm not sure how that's going to go...But a very magical playoff run may be in the offing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Let's wait to see how Trocheck pans out here first. If he flops or gets hurt, all attention has to shift back to getting a center. Which means all assets will be dealt for such a player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 4 hours ago, RJWantsTheCup said: It's probably the worst kept secret in the NHL that Kane is being traded to the Rangers. It's just a matter of for who & when it happens. More than likely it's at the deadline. Lets see if Drury fucks this one up by giving a ton to Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, The Dude said: Let's wait to see how Trocheck pans out here first. If he flops or gets hurt, all attention has to shift back to getting a center. Which means all assets will be dealt for such a player. Exactly it. If they get - and extend - Kane, Trocheck needs to be legit. Consistent and productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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