TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) He's totally right to do this. If he's in the AHL then he's still a prospect right? But this is the same Kravtsov that the Rangers made an open statement about saying that he wasn't participating in the prospect tournament last month because they said he was beyond that stage. Now this. If this was a possibility he should have been in the tournament and they shouldn't have said that. No wonder he is confused and fed up. Edited October 12, 2021 by TwoMinutesForNothing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil said: Maybe, but there’s a few other gems in this that strongly hint at him being a problem. https://theathletic.com/2885158/2021/10/12/carpiniello-rangers-manage-themselves-into-a-corner-with-vitali-kravtsov-demotion-and-trade-situation/?source=user_shared_article Drury said that Kravtsov was with the NHL squad and not the prospect camp. So Drury did this as a "Fuck you!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, josh said: Drury said that Kravtsov was with the NHL squad and not the prospect camp. So Drury did this as a "Fuck you!"? No idea, but paints a very bleak relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, siddious said: The only difference is that Krav is more likely to leave for the KHL I think. I dunno what you do then. On one hand I would rather make an example out of him and let him play over there while retaining his rights. But on the other you lose an asset. But he could just as well stay there and make money. He doesn't exactly NEED the NHL to have a well paying hockey career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Phil said: No idea, but paints a very bleak relationship. No, its Carp being fucking dumb Carp. Drury said he was with the NHL guys - those previous quotes dont mean shit. Drury would have told him to stay in Russia in such scenario, or trade him before this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, josh said: I think we all know this wasn't a "you were hurt, missed time, go get reps/conditioning and you'll be right up" scenario No, it's a "you got hurt and your body of work is weak" scenario. The messages you got beat out for a spot by Julien Gauthier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Pete said: No, it's a "you got hurt and your body of work is weak" scenario. The messages you got beat out for a spot by Julien Gauthier. Gauthier, 0 points in 5 games against AHL players while posting a -4 with his 3 rushes up the boards, trying to cut to the net and losing the puck was not better than Kravtsov. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, TwoMinutesForNothing said: He's totally right to do this. If he's in the AHL then he's still a prospect right? But this is the same Kravtsov that the Rangers made an open statement about saying that he wasn't participating in the prospect tournament last month because they said he was beyond that stage. Now this. If this was a possibility he should have been in the tournament and they shouldn't have said that. No wonder he is confused and fed up. What was said a month ago isn't relevant when a player has been injured for all of preseason and only played in one full game. What did he do to earn a spot? He was totally forgettable outside of one goal that was basically a sick feed from Strome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Phil said: They do, from the perspective of not playing skilled players on banging/checking lines, which is exactly where Kravtsov fits at the moment. Thought we all agreed that high-skilled players need meaningful minutes with other high-skilled players and shouldn't be on the fourth line? Put him with Chytil on a 3rd line. Goodrow or Blais on the other wing. Can't say there's nowhere to play him when Chytil gets to play on the 3rd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, josh said: Gauthier, 0 points in 5 games against AHL players while posting a -4 with his 3 rushes up the boards, trying to cut to the net and losing the puck was not better than Kravtsov. And there's nothing anybody can say or do to change your mind, so you just keep on thinking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Quote At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass. Quote Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line. https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phil said: https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, josh said: No, its Carp being fucking dumb Carp. Drury said he was with the NHL guys - those previous quotes dont mean shit. Drury would have told him to stay in Russia in such scenario, or trade him before this. It's not just Carp. Walker just posted another update talking about him having a really bad exit interview. The more we read, the more this feels like Andersson. They're not salvaging this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Phil said: https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ Someone ask Vitali to name the top 6 player who he should have replaced. He's already showing his colors, let's make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phil said: https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ So, with this in mind, I'll ask again — does anyone actually believe the outcome would be any different had he been on the main roster and not demoted? I'm not convinced. He believed himself a top-six player. The moment he wasn't, he was asking out IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Phil said: So, with this in mind, I'll ask again — does anyone actually believe the outcome would be any different had he been on the main roster and not demoted? I'm not convinced. He believed himself a top-six player. The moment he wasn't, he was asking out IMO. I think at a minimum you wouldn't have cratered his trade value. Edited October 12, 2021 by jsrangers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, Pete said: What was said a month ago isn't relevant when a player has been injured for all of preseason and only played in one full game. What did he do to earn a spot? He was totally forgettable outside of one goal that was basically a sick feed from Strome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) I found his play to be extremely impressive at the end of last season. I couldn't believe how defensively responsible he was along with the offensive flashes. He is probably right about deserving more minutes up in the lineup and he certainly did enough to earn a spot this season. I love Hunt and Gauthier and have made that clear, but you don't dismiss Kravtsov for them. You keep all three, give Krav his spot and rotate Rooney and Reaves to get the other two in if you wish. This wasn't rocket science, but now we've torched it all. Even if you wanted to continue to seek a trade you could have done so on the low. This was mismanagement no matter how you look at it. Edited October 12, 2021 by TwoMinutesForNothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, TwoMinutesForNothing said: I found his play to be extremely impressive at the end of last season. I couldn't believe how defensively responsible he was along with the offensive flashes. He is probably right about deserving more minutes up in the lineup and he certainly did enough to earn a spot this season. I love Hunt and Gauthier and have made that clear, but you don't dismiss Kravtsov for them. You keep all three, give Krav his spot and rotate Rooney and Reaves to get the other two in if you wish. Krav's "spot" was top-six or bust, according to Walker and others. He basically thought he should be gifted a top-six role, and that was before the Buch trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil said: Krav's "spot" was top-six or bust, according to Walker and others. He basically thought he should be gifted a top-six role, and that was before the Buch trade. He wasn't quitting hockey or sitting out if he was playing 3rd line with Chytil every night in a Rangers jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, TwoMinutesForNothing said: He wasn't quitting hockey or sitting out if he was playing 3rd line with Chytil every night in a Rangers jersey. We don't know this, and what we do suggests he'd likely still be asking out. https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ https://theathletic.com/2885158/2021/10/12/carpiniello-rangers-manage-themselves-into-a-corner-with-vitali-kravtsov-demotion-and-trade-situation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Phil said: We don't know this, and what we do suggests he'd likely still be asking out. https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ https://theathletic.com/2885158/2021/10/12/carpiniello-rangers-manage-themselves-into-a-corner-with-vitali-kravtsov-demotion-and-trade-situation/ He was on the 3rd line all camp with Chytil and Goodrow. He looked thrilled when he scored last game. He didn't ask out until they told him he was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 He doesn't control the lines, the coach does. Most players look thrilled when they score. The last bit is accurate. I've said earlier, to me, the difference between each outcome is likely the failure to report. Getting stuck on a third line probably would have kept his trade request alive. Getting assigned to HFD made him quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Phil said: We don't know this, and what we do suggests he'd likely still be asking out. https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/rangers-could-trade-vitali-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/ https://theathletic.com/2885158/2021/10/12/carpiniello-rangers-manage-themselves-into-a-corner-with-vitali-kravtsov-demotion-and-trade-situation/ What a shit show 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, josh said: Dude, that was against AHL teams, for the most part, and at his best, Gauthier did his 1 fucking move and didnt get anything out of it. Well... He did draw 2-3 penalties with his one fucking move. I think they may have scored on 2 of those PPs.. Like I've been saying. Gauthier and Hajek... I get. Hunt and Tinordi. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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