Rangers Give Kravtsov Permission to Seek Trade; Loaned to KHL

[josh]

Just now, Long live the King said:

Ranger fans didn't make the decision.  Drury did.  You think Drury is unaware of what was going on while he was the Pack's GM?

Yes. Obviously.

[Phil]

1 minute ago, josh said:

Talk to Phil. He brought up the double standards.

Whats he going to prove playing on the first line with Justin Richards and some other fuck we've never heard of?

I'd be perfectly fine if they kept Jones over Nemeth. Shit, I'd have been fine keeping him over Lundkvist. I think he outperformed both of them, but it's a numbers game. With Nemeth, specifically, they're a victim of circumstance, having bought a relatively expensive insurance policy. In hindsight, they probably should have just signed another Jack Johnson to the kind of deal they could bury in a heartbeat. But there's no putting the toothpaste back into the tube, which is why we're here. Or, more aptly, why Jones isn't. That's not a double standard, it's the conditions of how the dice rolled. That Jones can be stashed without waivers for a while is the reprieve while the dust settles. He should be back soon. Or, if he isn't, he's certainly valuable to them in a trade. More valuable than Kravtsov, because unlike Kravtsov, Jones didn't throw a temper tantrum when the rug got pulled out from under him.

[siddious]

"Give him permission to seek a trade" sounds like "we wont make any effort to move you, have your little tantrum and come back to us when you realize you dont have any option besides the KHL"

Gauthier in over Krav is stupid. But no excuse for not reporting and proving you deserve to be on the big squad.

[Keirik]

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

Ranger fans didn't make the decision.  Drury did.  You think Drury is unaware of what was going on while he was the Pack's GM?

Well apparently Drury isn’t aware of what was going on at the NHL level then with Gauthier for the last few years. Or those 2 career goals in the NHL has really shown he’s about to lift off. 

[Phil]

4 minutes ago, Keirik said:

You mean like he already did or you mean he has to do it over and over again? 

Shit happens. He's not the first and he won't be the last deserving young player who gets temporarily frozen out. The difference between he and most of them? They stand a better chance of returning because they don't publicly pout when they don't get what they want.

[Phil]

1 minute ago, siddious said:

"Give him permission to seek a trade" sounds like "we wont make any effort to move you, have your little tantrum and come back to us when you realize you dont have any option besides the KHL"

Yup. @Long live the King pointed out earlier in the thread, this is the same thing Drouin did. They didn't trade him. He eventually reported and made his way back. Know what happens when you're suspended for failure to report? You don't get paid. Let's test that meddle, kid. Put your money where your pacifier is.

[Long live the King]

You know this whole thing is negated by Krav just reporting to Hartford like 99% of young players do.

Barrett Hayton, picked before Krav, in the minors, not crying.
 

[Phil]

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

You know this whole thing is negated by Krav just reporting to Hartford like 99% of young players do.

Barrett Hayton, picked before Krav, in the minors, not crying.
 

Trade Krav for him.

[siddious]

3 minutes ago, Phil said:

Yup. @Long live the King pointed out earlier in the thread, this is the same thing Drouin did. They didn't trade him. He eventually reported and made his way back. Know what happens when you're suspended for failure to report? You don't get paid. Let's test that meddle, kid. Put your money where your pacifier is.

The only difference is that Krav is more likely to leave for the KHL I think. I dunno what you do then. On one hand I would rather make an example out of him and let him play over there while retaining his rights. But on the other you lose an asset. 

[josh]

3 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

You know this whole thing is negated by Krav just reporting to Hartford like 99% of young players do.

Barrett Hayton, picked before Krav, in the minors, not crying.
 

He's hurt.

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So when do they lose his rights? And do he have any options to "run away" to Russia or would Rangers have to accept that?

[Keirik]

Just now, Phil said:

Shit happens. He's not the first and he won't be the last deserving young player who gets temporarily frozen out. The difference between he and most of them? They stand a better chance of returning because they don't publicly pout when they don't get what they want.

And that’s all fine and dandy but in the end, Kravtsov isn’t having this happen because he’s not ready or he’s too raw. He’s having it happen because we are being told guys like Gauthier or Hunt give us the best chance to win right now. Or more realistically, we are hoarding grit because if Gauthier gives us the best chance to win, we better actively shop Chytil asap since he 100% does not give us as good of a chance as a high faceoff two way 3c will also. Or dump Strome for a real 3c and elevate Chytil. 
 

 

[Cash or Czech]

11 minutes ago, josh said:

The two guys that could benefit from playing time in the AHL are most certainly Gauthier and Hajek.

Personally don't think Gauthier has anything left to prove in the AHL. 69 goals and 103 points in 184 AHL games. Guy needs a chance to boom or bust in the NHL. He'll be 24 in three days. He's not going to get many more chances before he's an AHL vet going around the league from contract to contract.

[Long live the King]

1 minute ago, josh said:

He's hurt.

So was Krav.

[Sharpshooter]

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

So was Krav.

Now his feelings are. lol

[josh]

Just now, Long live the King said:

So was Krav.

gallant prior to last preseason game.

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Head coach Gerard Gallant previously said he didn’t expect Kravtsov’s injury to have a negative impact on his chances to secure a roster spot. Gallant said he planned to use Saturday’s game to further evaluate where Kravtsov best fits in the lineup."But he’s ready to go and he’s skated the last two days and looks real good."

 

 

[Keirik]

4 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

Now his feelings are. lol

If only they kept that negative rep

[Phil]

6 minutes ago, Keirik said:

And that’s all fine and dandy but in the end, Kravtsov isn’t having this happen because he’s not ready or he’s too raw. He’s having it happen because we are being told guys like Gauthier or Hunt give us the best chance to win right now. Or more realistically, we are hoarding grit because if Gauthier gives us the best chance to win, we better actively shop Chytil asap since he 100% does not give us as good of a chance as a high faceoff two way 3c will also. Or dump Strome for a real 3c and elevate Chytil.

They do, from the perspective of not playing skilled players on banging/checking lines, which is exactly where Kravtsov fits at the moment.

Thought we all agreed that high-skilled players need meaningful minutes with other high-skilled players and shouldn't be on the fourth line?

[Phil]

Just now, Keirik said:

If only they kept that negative rep

LOL, we never had negative rep enabled. You been going to the @Art Panarini school for remembering things correctly?

[Sharpshooter]

1 minute ago, Keirik said:

If only they kept that negative rep

U!

[josh]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

They do, from the perspective of not playing skilled players on banging/checking lines, which is exactly where Kravtsov fits at the moment.

Thought we all agreed that high-skilled players need meaningful minutes with other high-skilled players and shouldn't be on the fourth line?

No. I've been saying all offseason to spread out the size and the skill.

Your statement also neglects that Kravtsov is developing into a decent defensive player, much faster than Buchnevich for comparison.

[Scott]

@josh so how many days was he even down with this injury? Less than a week if he was skating a couple days prior to playing in the last preseason game?

[Long live the King]

6 minutes ago, josh said:

gallant prior to last preseason game.

 

 

Gallant today in the video posted earlier:  "We like Kravy...he missed some time and the other guys played well...you have to do it day in and day out."  Sounds like the coach who was at practice everyday wanted to see a little more from Krav.

[Phil]

3 minutes ago, josh said:

No. I've been saying all offseason to spread out the size and the skill.

Your statement also neglects that Kravtsov is developing into a decent defensive player, much faster than Buchnevich for comparison.

Sure, on the first three lines. But they're building a banging third line with the exception of Chytil. Kravtsov on his wing changes that dynamic entirely.

Blais - Chytil - Goodrow will play a very different game than Goodrow - Chytil - Kravtsov would, though it would push Hunt out and give them an even harder-hitting fourth line of Blais - Rooney - Reaves.

[Keirik]

4 minutes ago, Phil said:

They do, from the perspective of not playing skilled players on banging/checking lines, which is exactly where Kravtsov fits at the moment.

Thought we all agreed that high-skilled players need meaningful minutes with other high-skilled players and shouldn't be on the fourth line?

It’s not ideal but we have a full blown banging 4th line. It doesn’t need to be bottom 6 all bangers. Not always. Besides,  Gauthier is not physical and more than Howden was and we certainly are not regretting the subtraction of Brett.  The only thing Gauthier is going to wear down is the coaching staff eventually. If 4 out of your bottom 6 are grinders to wear down your opponents, 2 being skilled seems about right.