josh Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 So if we are not getting a 1st and don't really have a backup in place, why are we trading him? His stats have him around 20th among free agent goalies this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 So if we are not getting a 1st and don't really have a backup in place, why are we trading him? Aforementioned reasons. Myself, among others, have posted extensively and in detail regarding this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 His stats have him around 20th among free agent goalies this summer. I don't really care, he is better than his stats, we were not good defensively or had a good defensive system. It will mean we can also re-sign him for less than if he had better stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 His stats have him around 20th among free agent goalies this summer. brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Aforementioned reasons. Myself, among others, have posted extensively and in detail regarding this. sorry, if I don't see 1st round or 2 2nd rounders going our way then I don't pay attention, I rather just keep him for now than hook up some team with a good goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 sorry, if I don't see 1st round or 2 2nd rounders going our way then I don't pay attention, I rather just keep him for now than hook up some team with a good goalie. Then you’re advocating a Lundqvist buyout, or assuming he retires? Both are pretty big assumptions to make at this point. And there’s no real evidence to support either of those positions. Only speculation and wishful thinking. At least with Georgiev we have a point to speculate on as we know they’ve shopped him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Then you’re advocating a Lundqvist buyout, or assuming he retires? Both are pretty big assumptions to make at this point. And there’s no real evidence to support either of those positions. Only speculation and wishful thinking. At least with Georgiev we have a point to speculate on as we know they’ve shopped him I demand that he retires and goes play with his twin in Sweden, most Rangers fans should too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I demand that he retires and goes play with his twin in Sweden, most Rangers fans should too. Your demands mean nothing and he has a contract and it appears right now that they don’t want the bad optics and PR that would result from buying out a franchise icon, regardless of any other factors. Gorton and JD can demand that too... and it still wouldn’t mean dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Your demands mean nothing and he has a contract and it appears right now that they don’t want the bad optics and PR that would result from buying out a franchise icon, regardless of any other factors. Gorton and JD can demand that too... and it still wouldn’t mean dick. then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. This isn't going to happen. So we can move on from this hypothetical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. Lol what? You think they should tell him that? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. Speaking of retiring numbers, they should revoke Messier's. He was only here for 6 years. Barely won once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Speaking of retiring numbers, they should revoke Messier's. He was only here for 6 years. Barely won once. I suggested that Messier should offer Laf to use his retired number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. So what’s your reasoning that makes you believe they won’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I suggested that Messier should offer Laf to use his retired number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Bruh. We gotta vary it a little. Here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I suggested that Messier should offer Laf to use his retired number. Definitely. Messier's junior numbers were terrible compared to Laf's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Probably meant Joby Messier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 then Rangers will not retire his number, they have a right not to. So threatening franchise icons with not retiring their numbers is a practice you think they?d indulge in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I'm in, I was leaning towards a standard but OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I wouldn?t mind keeping that 2nd 1st Rd pick if Holloway, Perrault or Grieg are still there when we?re picking. Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I suggested that Messier should offer Laf to use his retired number.You realize it's been retired twice, right? Gotta get Hadfield's permission, too. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 You realize it's been retired twice, right? Gotta get Hadfield's permission, too. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk 3rd time's the charm, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 His stats have him around 20th among free agent goalies this summer. This is a vague statement I've seen you make twice now so I decided to look into it. A cursory glance at Caprfriendly says that's unture, but why don't we take a deep dive? Looking at the UFA goalies, I've narrowed down the starters and fringe starters. They are as follows (ages included): Aaron Dell (31), Anton Khudobin (34), Braden Holtby (30), Brian Elliott (35), Cam Talbot (32), Corey Crawford (35), Craig Anderson (39), Jacob Markstrom (30), Jimmy Howard (36), Mike Smith (38), Robin Lehner (28), Ryan Miller (39), and Thomas Greiss (34). Anderson, Miller and Smith all at 38+ are unlikely to be starters anywhere they go but I'll include them just because. I've also included Matt Murray (26), an RFA, who is likely Georgiev's only competition on the trade market. You were vague as to what those "stats" are so I've decided to pick them. I looked at SV%, GSAA (Goals Saved Against Average), and HDSV% (High Danger Save Percentage) over the last three seasons and just this season alone. Let's look at the cumulative stats over the last three seasons: Georgiev ranks 6th in SV%, 6th in GSAA, and 3rd in HDSV%. There are only 15 total goaltenders included in the data and Georgiev is nowhere near the back. Let's look at just this season alone then: Georgiev ranks 7th in SV%, 7th in GSAA, and 5th in HDSV%. Yet again nowhere near the back. If anything, Georgiev compares quite favorably to his UFA competition especially when you account for him being the youngest, 24, and the only option with RFA years remaining. So "20th among free agent goalies this summer" is just nowhere near being right. It's fiction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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