RangersIn7 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Chances of them trading the pick are less than 1% probably. And if they keep the pick, which isn’t really an if, they take LaFreniere Only way they took someone else is if they trade it. They’re not going to keep the pick and select someone else when they can do that by trading it and at the same time acquire other assets in that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Chances of them trading the pick are less than 1% probably. And if they keep the pick, which isn’t really an if, they take LaFreniere Only way they took someone else is if they trade it. They’re not going to keep the pick and select someone else when they can do that by trading it and at the same time acquire other assets in that trade. I agree they will not attempt to look like idiots and pick somebody other than Laf at #1, but the chance of them trading down to #2 or #3 is not less than 1%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I agree they will not attempt to look like idiots and pick somebody other than Laf at #1, but the chance of them trading down to #2 or #3 is not less than 1%. I tend to disagree, but I’ll indulge you on that, yet counter by saying it’s no better than a 1-2% chance of that happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I agree they will not attempt to look like idiots and pick somebody other than Laf at #1, but the chance of them trading down to #2 or #3 is not less than 1%. Given the article yesterday regarding what Melnyk said regarding the Sens keeping their 2 picks in the top 5, I dot see Ottawa as a viable trade partner. I won’t repost it as it’s already up elsewhere, and obviously the draft is still 7 1/2 weeks away and things can change, but I’m inclined to think they won’t move off either of those picks. It’s too good of a class to pass up 2 picks that high. They really need to make both selections and given how cheap Melnyk is, the appeal of those 2 guys being cheap and cost controlled is too high. The Kings are really the only viable option, IMO, because I don’t think the Rangers would want to move outside of the top-3. If they were to trade the pick, it HAS to put them in a spot where they’d end up with Byfield or Stutzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Given the article yesterday regarding what Melnyk said regarding the Sens keeping their 2 picks in the top 5, I dot see Ottawa as a viable trade partner. I won’t repost it as it’s already up elsewhere, and obviously the draft is still 7 1/2 weeks away and things can change, but I’m inclined to think they won’t move off either of those picks. It’s too good of a class to pass up 2 picks that high. They really need to make both selections and given how cheap Melnyk is, the appeal of those 2 guys being cheap and cost controlled is too high. The Kings are really the only viable option, IMO, because I don’t think the Rangers would want to move outside of the top-3. If they were to trade the pick, it HAS to put them in a spot where they’d end up with Byfield or Stutzle. Melnyk said they will not do 3+5 for 1. They might do a 3 + picks and prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Melnyk said they will not do 3+5 for 1. They might do a 3 + picks and prospects.No they won't. Yet another post where you're wishing things into reality and frankly just being contrarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 No they won't. Yet another post where you're wishing things into reality and frankly just being contrarian. just being politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 No they won't. Yet another post where you're wishing things into reality and frankly just being contrarian. just being politically correct. Agree with Pete. Ottawa simply needs both those picks. Can’t pass up the opportunity that it gives them. LA would be only option. Rangers won’t trade out of the top-3 in the very low-percentage chance they trade the pick at all. As stated, they’d still have to end up with Byfield or Stutzle, and neither of those guys will be there at 4 or below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Melnyk said they will not do 3+5 for 1. They might do a 3 + picks and prospects. Why would we want that? We have prospects. We have the 1st overall that is head and shoulders above the pack. What is it that makes it so difficult for you to want the 1st overall pick? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Bretzky, is that you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Melnyk said they will not do 3+5 for 1. They might do a 3 + picks and prospects. No, he said they would be sticking with what they have. Which means they won't be trading any of it. This is getting really annoying dude. We're drafting Laf, why don't you just focus on talking about him as a player or other types of trades. We aren't trading Laf. He's a Ranger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 No, he said they would be sticking with what they have. Which means they won't be trading any of it. This is getting really annoying dude. We're drafting Laf, why don't you just focus on talking about him as a player or other types of trades. We aren't trading Laf. He's a Ranger. I just have a bad feeling that 5 years from now or even sooner it will be apparent that Lafreniere was not the best player in this draft. If Byfield is the next Malkin or Joe Thornton then we made a big mistake by not trading down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I just have a bad feeling that 5 years from now or even sooner it will be apparent that Lafreniere was not the best player in this draft. If Byfield is the next Malkin or Joe Thornton then we made a big mistake by not trading down. The hype on Byfield is literally that he's a year younger, he's huge, and that he MIGHT be able to do what Lafreniere did this season. Note that third bit - Lafreniere did it already. Byfield might. So why are we trading a more known commodity for an unknown commodity? That's the kind of crap that keeps teams like the Senators in the basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 The hype on Byfield is literally that he's a year younger, he's huge, and that he MIGHT be able to do what Lafreniere did this season. Note that third bit - Lafreniere did it already. Byfield might. So why are we trading a more known commodity for an unknown commodity? That's the kind of crap that keeps teams like the Senators in the basement. Byfield's production translated from better OHL to crappier QMJHL probably is equal if not better and considering he is 10 month younger he is possibly if not likely going to be better. Then also consider size difference and center position which is exactly what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Byfield's production translated from better OHL to crappier QMJHL probably is equal if not better and considering he is 10 month younger he is possibly if not likely going to be better. That's just not true. The article that Pete cited earlier, that you dismissed, even proved that. Lafreniere's NHLe, which accounts exactly for that "translation," ranks Lafreniere ahead of Byfield. You're straight up making things up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 The hype on Byfield is literally that he's a year younger, he's huge, and that he MIGHT be able to do what Lafreniere did this season. Note that third bit - Lafreniere did it already. Byfield might. So why are we trading a more known commodity for an unknown commodity? That's the kind of crap that keeps teams like the Senators in the basement. The Senators coming out and saying they wouldn't trade #3 and #5 for Lafreniere, and that it is nonsensical, is what keeps teams like the Senators in the basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 The Senators coming out and saying they wouldn't trade #3 and #5 for Lafreniere, and that it is nonsensical, is what keeps teams like the Senators in the basement. How? They need bodies. Lafreniere by himself isn't going to bring him out of the gutter. They missed out on a top pick last year. They could use two this season. Trading all of their assets for Lafreniere just makes them an even shittier Sabres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 That's just not true. The article that Pete cited earlier, that you dismissed, even proved that. Lafreniere's NHLe, which accounts exactly for that "translation," ranks Lafreniere ahead of Byfield. You're straight up making things up now. I just ran the numbers there Byfield projected at 48 NHL points, while Lafreniere is 50 NHL points, that is basically same thing. thank you for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 How? They need bodies. Lafreniere by himself isn't going to bring him out of the gutter. They missed out on a top pick last year. They could use two this season. Trading all of their assets for Lafreniere just makes them an even shittier Sabres. It can't be both ways. Either Lafreniere is that good that you can build a franchise around him, or two bodies is worth more than him. And two picks is not all of their assets. It's two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I just ran the numbers there Byfield projected at 48 NHL points, while Lafreniere is 50 NHL points, that is basically same thing. thank you for proving my point. I'll give you that one. A broken clock is right twice a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 It can't be both ways. Either Lafreniere is that good that you can build a franchise around him, or two bodies is worth more than him. And two picks is not all of their assets. It's two. And I refer you back to Buffalo. How good is having an elite player without a supporting cast? It's already been established that he's likely an elite talent, not a generational one. If McDavid, an undeniable generational talent, can't power Edmonton to success than how is Lafreniere expected to for Ottawa? Especially when he has no supporting cast around him. Hockey isn't a one-player sport. Ottawa has nothing. They just need to fill the cupboards and they can afford the risk and development time. The Rangers can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 And I refer you back to Buffalo. How good is having an elite player without a supporting cast? It's already been established that he's likely an elite talent, not a generational one. If McDavid, an undeniable generational talent, can't power Edmonton to success than how is Lafreniere expected to for Ottawa? Especially when he has no supporting cast around him. Hockey isn't a one-player sport. Ottawa has nothing. They just need to fill the cupboards and they can afford the risk and development time. The Rangers can't. Ottawa has Tkachuk and Chabot and at least a top 10 farm system right now. Trading 3 and 5 for Laf would be a no brainer on their end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 It can't be both ways. Either Lafreniere is that good that you can build a franchise around him, or two bodies is worth more than him. And two picks is not all of their assets. It's two. it depends oh how deep is the top 5, this draft it is pretty deep Lafreniere is not guaranteed to have a better NHL career than Stutzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Ottawa has Tkachuk and Chabot and at least a top 10 farm system right now. Trading 3 and 5 for Laf would be a no brainer on their end. Don't think their system is top 10, but after this draft they definitely will be top 10 or top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 I'll give you that one. A broken clock is right twice a day. so instead of apologizing for saying I am "straight up making stuff up" you call me a broken clock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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