GDT [RS] (#48) Rangers vs. Vegas Golden Knights — Thank You, Sir. May I Have Another?

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

3 of the 4 goals Shesterkin is partly to blame for but all 4 goals there’s also a mistake by the Rangers that contributes to the goals.  They need less defensive lapses and more timely big saves.  Shesterkin after a so so regular season last year was money in the playoffs so I’m hoping he can right the ship.  Defense has been a problem for a few years and not sure if it gets fixed.   Bone headed plays seem to be made by the same players over and over.  And we know who the main culprits are.  

Goals are rarely one person's fault. Of course mistakes are going to be made during the game. But every mistake can't wind up in your net, and that's what's happening now.

 

There's always going to be a breakdown that leads to a scoring chance, the question becomes is the shot stoppable? They scored four goals on Igor last night, three of them should not have went in. 

[RJWantsTheCup]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

Goals are rarely one person's fault. Of course mistakes are going to be made during the game. But every mistake can't wind up in your net, and that's what's happening now.

 

There's always going to be a breakdown that leads to a scoring chance, the question becomes is the shot stoppable? They scored four goals on Igor last night, three of them should not have went in. 

Most goals are a combination of faults.  I wouldn’t go as far as saying 3 shouldn’t have went in.  I would say 3 could’ve been been stopped by Shesty.  But I also would say all 4 goals don’t happen with better defensive effort.  

[The Dude]

Look at everyone waiving to grandma in this best of 23 comp. 

 

Look at all the waiving down glove saves. 

 

Heyyy. Wait a second. There are none. 

 

 

[Pete]

Just now, RJWantsTheCup said:

Most goals are a combination of faults.  I wouldn’t go as far as saying 3 shouldn’t have went in.  I would say 3 could’ve been been stopped by Shesty.  But I also would say all 4 goals don’t happen with better defensive effort.  

Six of one half dozen of another. 

[Br4d]

Just now, RJWantsTheCup said:

Most goals are a combination of faults.  I wouldn’t go as far as saying 3 shouldn’t have went in.  I would say 3 could’ve been been stopped by Shesty.  But I also would say all 4 goals don’t happen with better defensive effort.  

 

Watching the Rangers for the last month and a half it's clear that there are innumerable ways to screw up on defense and give the opponent an easy chance.

 

Whether the goalies should be stopping most of these is unclear but the Rangers are playing the role of Valet in escorting people to the net for an easy shot.

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Look at everyone waiving to grandma in this best of 23 comp. 

 

Look at all the waiving down glove saves. 

 

Heyyy. Wait a second. There are none. 

 

 

You realize there's a difference between starting with your glove up in a set position, and then dropping it to make a save, right?

 

But don't take it from me, here is Kevin Weekes, he knows a lot more than you do. And since I know you need everything spoon fed, if you don't want to watch the whole video, you can just go to 1:10. 

 

 

 

Edited January 27 by Pete

[jamsim1967]

At the moment, the word seems to be out on this team, that they are softer than a baby's bottom. Hit them early and often, and they will eventually wilt. I'm sure there are teams in this league that view a game against the Rangers as the closest thing possible to having a night off. It's not the coach (this year, or last year), it's the players, the way the team was built and their effort for a full 60 minutes. You cannot expect a coach (any coach) to make chicken salad, out of chicken shit. He has to play the hand that he's dealt. It's up to the players on the ice to begin playing the way they played early in the year. if they do, who knows, maybe it will become a habit and they will go on a run. Right now, that's a big if. Sad truth is that right now this is not a team to be feared, and they need to become that team.

 

 

[BrooksBurner]

30 minutes ago, Pete said:

I think it's more the case that you want to blame specific players but the buck stops with the goalie. That was a stoppable shot. 

Actually, it’s the contrary. I’ve said Shesty has played like shit this year numerous times. You want to save Miller and Panarin from criticism. It’s understandable with Panarin. He’s an all world talent during the regular season and fun to watch. You seem to have an agenda with protecting Miller from heat though.

Edited January 27 by BrooksBurner

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

Actually, it’s the contrary. I’ve said Shesty has played like shit this year numerous times. You want to save Miller and Panarin from criticism. It’s understandable with Panarin. He’s an all world talent during the regular season and fun to watch. You seem to have an agenda with protecting Miller from heat though.

Nah, the only one with an agenda is you (Panarin's only on pace for 102 points, not 140! He is as bad as April Panarin! Got to trade him now!). It's pretty transparent that you don't really have perspective on any of it. 

 

There was a turnover. It happens. If you have an expectation that there would never be a defensive breakdown, that's on you.

 

What you can't justify is a fourth line or scoring on an unscreened wrist shot from 15 ft where the goalie had his glove too low.

 

I never denied that there was a defensive breakdown. But the shot was stoppable and that's really all there is to it. 

Edited January 27 by Pete

[The Dude]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

You realize there's a difference between starting with your glove up in a set position, and then dropping it to make a save, right?

 

Of course you don't. 

 

But here is Kevin Weekes, he knows a lot more than you do. And since I know you need everything spoon fed, if you don't want to watch the whole video, you can just go to 1:10. 

 

 

 

Ha. You're missing the key word in what he was saying. "In close" is when he says you want your glove up high. I get that. Kinda. It's probably what goalie coaches want. But it's not very practical and you really don't see it much. Like I said originally. Maybe on faceoffs. 

 

You do know that you don't have to drop to make every save right?  Of course you don't. 

 

Almost every save in this video has the goalie in a set position and makes the glove save. Couple minutes in, Fleury has the hi grandma stance and make a very awkward glove save. Very impractical.

 

Kevin Weekes wasn't very good anyway.

 

edit- Plus, he goes on to say something totally different later in the video. He actually says, "each goalie is different,  what's comfortable for them" and switches his take by saying the goalie might want his glove down when play is up close.  He's all over the place. 

 

Weekes is full of shit and stunk. 

 

Thanks for the great take by a shitty goalie. 

Edited January 27 by The Dude

[The Dude]

7 minutes ago, jamsim1967 said:

At the moment, the word seems to be out on this team, that they are softer than a baby's bottom. Hit them early and often, and they will eventually wilt. I'm sure there are teams in this league that view a game against the Rangers as the closest thing possible to having a night off. It's not the coach (this year, or last year), it's the players, the way the team was built and their effort for a full 60 minutes. You cannot expect a coach (any coach) to make chicken salad, out of chicken shit. He has to play the hand that he's dealt. It's up to the players on the ice to begin playing the way they played early in the year. if they do, who knows, maybe it will become a habit and they will go on a run. Right now, that's a big if. Sad truth is that right now this is not a team to be feared, and they need to become that team.

 

 

Can't be. They have Goodrow. Guy plays hard as fuck and does things the average fan doesn't notice. He's put there against the top lines you know?

 

He's up to a minus 9. 

 

The 4th line isn't living up to its expectations. Laviolette needs to move on from that right now. I get trying to get matchups that you feel will benefit the top lines, but the 4th line is not even close to getting it done. It's really dragging itself down. They need to concentrate more on playing with energy and start banging. They aren't good for much else. 

 

Until they get a 3rd line center,  they kinda have to match line for line right now. 

 

I know,  I know   That's what stupid systemless Gallant did.. But it seemed to work. 

[Pete]

17 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Ha. You're missing the key word in what he was saying. "In close" is when he says you want your glove up high. I get that. Kinda. It's probably what goalie coaches want. But it's not very practical and you really don't see it much. Like I said originally. Maybe on faceoffs. 

 

You do know that you don't have to drop to make every save right?  Of course you don't. 

Why you moving the goal posts? The bottom line is his glove was too low, and Valliquette also said it. 

 

Like I said, you don't actually care about facts and truth, you're just trying to win an argument that you're not going to win, because you're wrong. 

Edited January 27 by Pete

[BrooksBurner]

23 minutes ago, Pete said:

You realize there's a difference between starting with your glove up in a set position, and then dropping it to make a save, right?

 

But don't take it from me, here is Kevin Weekes, he knows a lot more than you do. And since I know you need everything spoon fed, if you don't want to watch the whole video, you can just go to 1:10. 

 

 

 

Notice how he said “in tight”.

[Pete]

7 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

Notice how he said “in tight”.

That's irrelevant to the conversation. Goalies start with their glove high because it's easier to drop low, he says that verbatim and that's what I've been saying. "In tight" is not him saying that you only do that in tight, He's simply talking about that being particularly difficult in tight. It doesn't change the fact that you don't start with your glove next to your pad. It needs to be higher, and Igor's wasn't. 

 

Vally also said his glove was too low. 

 

You guys just need to admit that there are people who know more about this than you do. 

 

Edited January 27 by Pete

[The Dude]

13 minutes ago, Pete said:

Why you moving the goal posts? The bottom line is his glove was too low, and Valliquette also said it. 

 

Like I said, you don't actually care about facts and truth, you're just trying to win an argument that you're not going to win, because you're wrong. 

I moved nothing. This is what we've been talking about. 

 

Anyway,

Shesterkin is in a real bad funk. His glove sucks now, his blocker sucks now.. Everything about him sucks right now. I don't think his glove being too low on that goal or his stance has anything to do with how hes been playing. Its more than this one goal.

 

His reactions suck. He's not seeing pucks he used to naturally have a feel for.  He's fighting everything.  Even his puck handling is now bad. He's a fucking mess. 

 

I love Valliquette.  But sometimes he over analyzes things and gets away from the actual game. Everything is wrong with Shesterkin and the height of his glove in set position isn't a main concern. Right now it's either a mental thing or it's an injury. He hasn't been good since coming back from injury except for a few games. 

 

Really wish he could sit out the all star game. If anyone needs a mental and physical reset, it's Shesterkin. 

 

We can agree that his play is a very big problem. What his problem is,  is where we differ I guess. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Art20c]

For about month or so Shesterkin was outplayed by opposition goalies no matter who, no matter what team no matter starter or back up. I do not believe that other teams we played were absolutely perfect and have not made a single mistake in defense. But somehow we lost way more games that we won. Eventually it all comes down to last line of defense. The goaltender. Their goaltenders were better than our.