RichieNextel305 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 The one thing I will say is tantalizing (actually a few things): -Kane can possibly get Panarin really going -Kane is one of the most dynamic clutch performers in recent memory. Someone posted this to Twitter. It made me giddy. This is the long shot of long shots, but still… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Arizona would probably salivate at absorbing a large chunk of Patrick Kane's cap hit. The salary (6.9M) is much lower than the hit (10.5M). To Chicago Filip Chytil Nils Lundkvist Julien Gauthier NYR 1st STL 2nd To Arizona Libor Hajek '23 NYR 2nd To NYR Patrick Kane (2.625M cap hit, 75% retainment by Arizona/Chicago) Calvin de Haan Solves top 6 RW scoring need this year and next as well as a good rental depth option down the left side on defense. Don't think anyone here trusts Nemeth (as more than a 7), and I don't think Gallant trusts Jones now nor would he in the playoffs (especially with another rookie in Schneider already). Figure out 3C in another trade. Still have plenty of good ammo...NYR 2nd, Zac Jones, Kravtsov, Robertson, etc. I'll use Copp as the 3C example (say cost is a 2nd and Zac Jones). Kreider-Zib-Laf Bread-Strome-Kane Goodrow-Copp-Kakko Hunt-Rooney-Reaves Blais in for Hunt if he actually comes back in time for the playoffs. Lind-Fox KAM-Trouba De Haan - Schneider Tell me we wouldn't have as good a chance as anyone else. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 There’s an absolute zero chance you acquire Kane at 25% as well as De Haan for the Rangers scraps. Most of those guys couldn’t get Eichel. In what world are they getting a retained Kane plus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: There’s an absolute zero chance you acquire Kane at 25% as well as De Haan for the Rangers scraps. Most of those guys couldn’t get Eichel. In what world are they getting a retained Kane plus? Agree. It would start with Kakko, and then probably one of Othmann or Cullye and one of Jones or Lundkvist plus picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I’d put the chances of a Kane trade at like 0.0000000001%. It’s a nice fantasy, because I think most hockey fans love Kane and his highlight reel-esque plays. But, I just don’t see it being very feasible; especially by the deadline. And those odds I gave, I think, are optimistic odds at best. I just don’t see this as something that’s going to materialize. At best, it’s something to discuss in the off-season. But even then, there are a lot of hoops to jump through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, RichieNextel305 said: I’d put the chances of a Kane trade at like 0.0000000001%. It’s a nice fantasy, because I think most hockey fans love Kane and his highlight reel-esque plays. But, I just don’t see it being very feasible; especially by the deadline. And those odds I gave, I think, are optimistic odds at best. I just don’t see this as something that’s going to materialize. At best, it’s something to discuss in the off-season. But even then, there are a lot of hoops to jump through. Agree, also important to remember that this wasn't a hot stove segment. Not like Friedman or Dreger. Don't think it's even really being thought about outside creating buzz reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I don't think Kane is really feasible. I love the guy, and I think he's fabulous, but there's a couple of things that don't fit for me with Kane and the Rangers: We'd have to give up a metric ass load for him, and Chicago isn't taking Chytil and the rest of our dog shit for Kane...No way! We need at least 2 bottom 6 players for a 3rd line, not to mention a 3rd line center, which that hole has been open all year. We need a back up goalie that is a "Back up goalie", not a guy that can only thrive playing starters minutes as a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 He makes 10.5 mil. Even if the Hawks retain half the salary, which doesn't happen often, it still creates a problem for next year and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Drew a Penalty said: There’s an absolute zero chance you acquire Kane at 25% as well as De Haan for the Rangers scraps. Most of those guys couldn’t get Eichel. In what world are they getting a retained Kane plus? Since when are Chytil/Lundkvist/1st scraps? Even by this board’s silly hatred of Chytil, he’s 2nd round pick value. That’s 2 1sts and 2 2nds to Chicago. That’s ballpark what was given for Martin St. Louis. It’s ballpark what was given for Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller. I’ll grant you Gauthier and Hajek as scraps, but those kinds of guys are frequently included in these deals. It doesn’t change the equation and isn’t meant to. Eichel was a completely different situation. Do you have proof the Rangers had an offer like this on the table for Buffalo? Do you have proof they were ever really even seriously interested given the cap implications, and the likely loss of Zibanejad as a result? Do you also have proof that Buffalo had any intention of trading him within state regardless of any offer? I think most importantly here is Kane has an NMC. He is in control. If he says NY only if a trade is to be made, Chicago loses a lot of leverage and the price goes down, or they just keep him. Hard to see them keeping him when they just said they were going to rebuild…and nobody, absolutely nobody, is taking Kane without heavy retention or a cap dump going the other way. Chicago should be expecting to retain by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m saying, for now, it’s improbable. For starters, I think the Blackhawks respect Patrick Kane for everything he has done for the organization. The front office has already discussed the direction of the franchise with key veteran members like Kane, Toews, Jones and Fleury. Kane has a year left on his deal. He has a NMC. I think the organization respects him enough that come summer time, they will see where he stands. If, a giant if, he asks to be moved, I do believe they’ll grant him his wish and try and get him where he would like to be. But, the man has 3 Cups. He’s 33. He may feel one of 2 ways: either he would like to finish up there, or he’d tell the organization: “You're going in one direction, I’m going in another. As opposed to losing me for free in UFA next summer, try and deal me now so you can recoup assets to help your rebuild.” At some point, this conversation will no doubt take place. Which way Kane leans is anyone’s guess. If it goes the way of Option B, then yes, I’m sure many teams would call to investigate the cost. But, similar to MSL, he holds all the cards. He could, in theory, force his way here or anywhere he so chooses. But again, that’s so far down the line. And even then, a package would need to be formulated, retention from not 1, but 2 organizations would be needed. I mean, that is an awful lot just thrown into a few sentences. And it’s a delicate situation because of what he means to that elite Original Six franchise. Like Pete said, this wasn’t reported anywhere; it was more of a thought bubble. Have I seen and heard from the reputable guys on TSN that teams have called to check the temperature on what the ‘Hawks may do with Kane? Sure. But again, so, so much has to happen between now and then. Lots of thought and lots of questions need to be answered. At the very best, I’d say this is more a conversation for the summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 10, 2022 Author Share Posted March 10, 2022 2 hours ago, ThirtyONE said: He makes 10.5 mil. Even if the Hawks retain half the salary, which doesn't happen often, it still creates a problem for next year and beyond. Double retention. It's the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 We will end up with the downward trending Towes. Oof. Do not want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrooksBurner Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Make it happen Drury. It’s not a rental. You get two whacks with Kane at least. More if he decides he wants to stay for a team friendly extension later ala Pavelski with the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: Wouldn’t DeBrincat be a better grab if we’re giving up tons of assets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Yes!!! A big, physical center that wins faceoffs and plays great defensive hockey that’s just entering his prime years on a cheap deal that’s easy to fit under the cap next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, josh said: Yes!!! A big, physical center that wins faceoffs and plays great defensive hockey that’s just entering his prime years on a cheap deal that’s easy to fit under the cap next season. But he's nnnn, ahhh ya got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 The Cat (with retention) and Fleury for Geo, Chytil, Lundkvist, Krav, Robertson, 2 1st's, and a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) I'd throw Kakko in the deal for DeBrincat Edited March 19, 2022 by Long live the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Long live the King said: I'd throw Kakko in the deal for DeBrincat This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 12 hours ago, Long live the King said: The Cat (with retention) and Fleury for Geo, Chytil, Lundkvist, Krav, Robertson, 2 1st's, and a 3rd. Your center depth for the next few seasons is: Zibanejad that’s it. That’s the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Yea that’s rough. If debribcat is on the table I put a nice package together for him lundqvist Chytil 1st Robertson and another prospect + pick or two I think they also ask for othman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 44 minutes ago, josh said: Your center depth for the next few seasons is: Zibanejad that’s it. That’s the list. He can play 30 mins a night, no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shesty Cola Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Kane would be a landscape changer. All of a sudden we would be right there with any of the top teams providing health to our top players. This would be Drurys big move as a GM. Can he pull it off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shesty Cola Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 11:54 AM, Phil said: Double retention. It's the only way. How common is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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