Brooks Rangers Will be in on Patrick Kane

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

But not really. 

 

Did they make it to the ECF with or without Fast?  Did they need Fast? Obviously not, so....

VZ is the new Fast. So yeah, they do.

[The Dude]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

They have all the firepower they need.

 

It's like buying a Yukon Denali with one kid because you need all the space you can get... Put your in money into something that makes more sense. 

Nah. It's like buying a RAM TRX because you need a supercharged V8 to haul sheetrock, tree logs, kids and because it sounds cool as fuck. 

 

Wait why are we talking about trucks? 

[Br4d]

They got Tarasenko because they needed a RW badly.  We had too much of Vesey on line 1 and Goodrow on line 3 going on and in that configuration the 4th line is not particularly worth cat spit.

 

As to whether Vesey is ok in the top 9 I guess that depends on who he is playing with.  I'd much rather have him playing with Kreider on line 3 than with Panarin on line 2.  Whatever line Panarin is on is line 2 unless he is playing with Zibanejad on line 1.

Edited February 18, 2023 by Br4d

[The Dude]

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

VZ is the new Fast. So yeah, they do.

I'm missing who the Vesey/Fast was that got them to the ECF last year.  Since they need that. 

[RichieNextel305]

You’re never quite what you are at your hottest or coldest. While I am extremely satisfied with the way we’re scoring on this hot streak, I also realize it’s coming against teams like Vancouver and Edmonton. Again, not to take anything away or diminish it. But again, I live in the world of law of averages.

 

I just get concerned about measuring up come playoff time to some of these other giants. Look at Tampa. We went toe to toe with them last year…and they were missing Point. And if you look at it as an in and out scenario, pretty much Vatranos spot is being filled by Tarasenko at the moment, which is an upgrade. And Copps spot is being held by Vesey, which is…debatable. Probably lose a little offense but gain defense.

 

I’m not trying to measure up to that Ranger team. I’m trying to be better. And getting Kane makes the Top-6 that much more deadly. And it also lengthens the lineup with Vesey being our bottom-6 “acquisition.”

 

Again, I’m not advocating going out and pursuing this at all costs. If Davidson is holding strong in Kane holding a certain value, then fine. Move on, go out and try and solidify the team in other ways. Not opposed to that either.

 

All I said was if I were Drury, I would be trying to force Chicago and Kane’s hand here. Make a call. Make an offer. Kravtsov wants out? We’ll include him as a key piece in a low flying offer. If it gets to Kane and he voices to Chicago that he wants to be here, let Chicago tell him the deal isn’t happening. But if Chicago would accept our pennies on the dollar offer because it may be the only way they get anything back for Kane, then again, why not?

Edited February 18, 2023 by RichieNextel305

[Pete]

52 minutes ago, The Dude said:

I'm missing who the Vesey/Fast was that got them to the ECF last year.  Since they need that. 

Yes, you are. 

[Pete]

54 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said:

You’re never quite what you are at your hottest or coldest. While I am extremely satisfied with the way we’re scoring on this hot streak, I also realize it’s coming against teams like Vancouver and Edmonton. Again, not to take anything away or diminish it. But again, I live in the world of law of averages.

 

I just get concerned about measuring up come playoff time to some of these other giants. Look at Tampa. We went toe to toe with them last year…and they were missing Point. And if you look at it as an in and out scenario, pretty much Vatranos spot is being filled by Tarasenko at the moment, which is an upgrade. And Copps spot is being held by Vesey, which is…debatable. Probably lose a little offense but gain defense.

 

I’m not trying to measure up to that Ranger team. I’m trying to be better. And getting Kane makes the Top-6 that much more deadly. And it also lengthens the lineup with Vesey being our bottom-6 “acquisition.”

 

Again, I’m not advocating going out and pursuing this at all costs. If Davidson is holding strong in Kane holding a certain value, then fine. Move on, go out and try and solidify the team in other ways. Not opposed to that either.

 

All I said was if I were Drury, I would be trying to force Chicago and Kane’s hand here. Make a call. Make an offer. Kravtsov wants out? We’ll include him as a key piece in a low flying offer. If it gets to Kane and he voices to Chicago that he wants to be here, let Chicago tell him the deal isn’t happening. But if Chicago would accept our pennies on the dollar offer because it may be the only way they get anything back for Kane, then again, why not?

Because you're paying a shit ton in cost of acquisition on an area of strength instead of spending much less to improve an area of weakness. 

[RichieNextel305]

16 minutes ago, Pete said:

Because you're paying a shit ton in cost of acquisition on an area of strength instead of spending much less to improve an area of weakness. 

But I’m not saying the Rangers should. I said they should make a call, make a low ball offer, see if it pushes the needle at all. I’m not saying the Rangers should call and offer their other 1st this year, Othmann and others.

 

Kravtsov wants out. If he can help you get Kane at this point, I’d rather that than a 2nd Rounder.

 

It would improve an area of weakness because Vesey going down to that line represents a better option than anything else.

[Pete]

10 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said:

But I’m not saying the Rangers should. I said they should make a call, make a low ball offer, see if it pushes the needle at all. I’m not saying the Rangers should call and offer their other 1st this year, Othmann and others.

 

Kravtsov wants out. If he can help you get Kane at this point, I’d rather that than a 2nd Rounder.

 

It would improve an area of weakness because Vesey going down to that line represents a better option than anything else.

I get it... I'm starting to come around on it a little bit. I started out wanting Kane, realizing Tarasenko is a better fit, to "why not both?"

 

I still think double retention on him is now more of a pipe dream than ever before... And I still think Domi is the wiser addition, but would still make this move at a reasonable price. 

[RodrigueGabriel]

Get me someone defensively greater than or equal to Tyler Motte first. Preferably PK specialist. Then if you can swindle Kane away from CHI it's a cherry on top. Our team defense is more of a net playoff liability than an extra sniper - who might well get bottled up in a close checking series the same way Panarin did last year - is a net playoff plus with the team we currently have. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by RodrigueGabriel

[BrooksBurner]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I get it... I'm starting to come around on it a little bit. I started out wanting Kane, realizing Tarasenko is a better fit, to "why not both?"

 

I still think double retention on him is now more of a pipe dream than ever before... And I still think Domi is the wiser addition, but would still make this move at a reasonable price. 

[RangersIn7]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Except if you look at the numbers you'd see that he actually stinks. His value is way more in the locker room and on the bench than it is on the ice. 

Don’t know which numbers you’re referring to?

 

I haven’t seen his defensive metrics this season…

 

But if you look at those numbers for him, historically, he’s excellent when it comes to goal prevention. 

[RichieNextel305]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

I get it... I'm starting to come around on it a little bit. I started out wanting Kane, realizing Tarasenko is a better fit, to "why not both?"

 

I still think double retention on him is now more of a pipe dream than ever before... And I still think Domi is the wiser addition, but would still make this move at a reasonable price. 

It might just be, I agree. I wouldn’t label this as a likely occurance.

 

I was in the same boat. I went from wanting to Kane, to realizing Tarasenko is a better fit to what you just said: why not both?

 

I like this team. A lot. I think we can make some major noise as is, or with a few tweaks. But the East is going to be a Beast. Toronto looks ready to make a run, and either they or Tampa will be moving on. Boston is Boston, and will likely be adding. Carolina and NJ are battling it out for Timo Meier.

 

If Kane wants us, and only us, I investigate it at the very least. It can’t hurt.

[The Dude]

7 hours ago, Pete said:

Bro the team has been defensively terrible for years, what are you talking about two weeks LOL.

 

I don't know why we're trying to Galaxy brain this, the team does not need to put more goals in the net, they need to keep more pucks out of it. You do that with defensively sound players.

 

This is not hard. 

But Vesey ISNT keeping pucks out of the net. He's been here all year. 

 

Sorry, he's not winning the Selke anytime soon (while thats a sarcastic comment- come to think of it has Fast ever even been in contention for one? - is this Fast stuff just Ranger fan drum pounding? )

 

He's not making the impact  you seem to want to claim. He's all over the lineup,  and they still suck defensively.  He's not leaving any kind of footprint that looks like he's a defensive stalwart. 

 

They are winning games by scoring more goals than the other team. That's the formula.  It has nothing or very little to do with Jimmy Veseys somewhat defensive prowess.  He can be just as effective as his 9 goals and 12 assists, on the 4th line. 

 

If people suggest upgrading the pieces of the formula, it makes more sense to stack the deck than it does to change what they are.  Adding a defensive forward for the 4th line isn't going to magically balance everything out. It's just going to keep the guy you like in the top 9.

 

Not many people think as highly of Vesey as you do. Nor do they/I mind him. But I do think he's better suited on a 4th line, if his spot were given to a more offensively gifted player. Or even a more physical player with skill. Or maybe even a guy with good speed. There are players available that are better than Jimmy Vesey. I think looking into acquiring an upgrade isn't the worst idea. 

 

 

[The Dude]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Yes, you are. 

Amazing response.  Who was the defensive wiz that got this team to the ECF last year. Fast wasn't here.. You didn't like Copp very much, so I guess he wasn't that guy. Was it Hunt? Vatrano? Who?

 

This type of bottom rung defensive player (come on are we really calling Vesey a defensive forward now?) isn't this staple you are grasping to make it be. 

[RodrigueGabriel]

Yikes.

[RichieNextel305]

Not a particularly encouraging start.

 

EDIT: Totally thought I was in the GDT. Ignore this post or delete. Sorry.

Edited February 19, 2023 by RichieNextel305

[Pete]

43 minutes ago, The Dude said:

But Vesey ISNT keeping pucks out of the net. He's been here all year. 

 

Sorry, he's not winning the Selke anytime soon (while thats a sarcastic comment- come to think of it has Fast ever even been in contention for one? - is this Fast stuff just Ranger fan drum pounding? )

 

He's not making the impact  you seem to want to claim. He's all over the lineup,  and they still suck defensively.  He's not leaving any kind of footprint that looks like he's a defensive stalwart. 

 

They are winning games by scoring more goals than the other team. That's the formula.  It has nothing or very little to do with Jimmy Veseys somewhat defensive prowess.  He can be just as effective as his 9 goals and 12 assists, on the 4th line. 

 

If people suggest upgrading the pieces of the formula, it makes more sense to stack the deck than it does to change what they are.  Adding a defensive forward for the 4th line isn't going to magically balance everything out. It's just going to keep the guy you like in the top 9.

 

Not many people think as highly of Vesey as you do. Nor do they/I mind him. But I do think he's better suited on a 4th line, if his spot were given to a more offensively gifted player. Or even a more physical player with skill. Or maybe even a guy with good speed. There are players available that are better than Jimmy Vesey. I think looking into acquiring an upgrade isn't the worst idea. 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Amazing response.  Who was the defensive wiz that got this team to the ECF last year. Fast wasn't here.. You didn't like Copp very much, so I guess he wasn't that guy. Was it Hunt? Vatrano? Who?

 

This type of bottom rung defensive player (come on are we really calling Vesey a defensive forward now?) isn't this staple you are grasping to make it be. 

You're obviously angry and arguing just to argue. 

 

No, VZ is not single-handedly keeping the puck out of the net when 19 other guys on the ice don't seem interested in doing it. That doesn't mean you remove him from the equation and add more of the same, it means you add more guys like him. 

[The Dude]

46 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

You're obviously angry and arguing just to argue. 

 

No, VZ is not single-handedly keeping the puck out of the net when 19 other guys on the ice don't seem interested in doing it. That doesn't mean you remove him from the equation and add more of the same, it means you add more guys like him. 

Lmao. Pretty sure I'm not the one arguing just to argue.

 

I said I missed who the Fast type was, on the teams last most successful unit that went to the ECF last season. You responded with  "yes you are".  It was a crap response and didn't add anything to the conversation.  

 

I think we both have said what we've had to say on the subject. 

 

But I'd like to add a car analogy. 

 

We have a a pretty fast Mustang here. You want to put mud tires on it because you think it needs to handle better in the mud. Cheap, shit, mud tires at that. 

 

Don't buy cheap tires.

Don't expect a Mustang to handle good in any condition. 

Drive that Mustang the way its meant to be driven. Fast and  straight. 

You can always make that Mustang unnecessarily faster. 

You're never going to get a Mustang to drive in the mud. 

It's just a Mustang.

[Bugg]

23 hours ago, RodrigueGabriel said:

Get me someone defensively greater than or equal to Tyler Motte first. Preferably PK specialist. Then if you can swindle Kane away from CHI it's a cherry on top. Our team defense is more of a net playoff liability than an extra sniper - who might well get bottled up in a close checking series the same way Panarin did last year - is a net playoff plus with the team we currently have. 

Are, you, "Rod",  in fact Chris Drury? Chris; Kravstov, Jones and a conditional #1/#2 at the deadline to minimize the cap hit for Kane, right? 

[RodrigueGabriel]

23 hours ago, RodrigueGabriel said:

Get me someone defensively greater than or equal to Tyler Motte first. Preferably PK specialist. Then if you can swindle Kane away from CHI it's a cherry on top. Our team defense is more of a net playoff liability than an extra sniper - who might well get bottled up in a close checking series the same way Panarin did last year - is a net playoff plus with the team we currently have. 

In as much as Tyler Motte = Tyler Motte, I'm good. Good luck raising Kane.

[Long live the King]

Kane done in New York.

[torontonyr]

I'm not so sure. We've left just enough wiggle room to get Kane here. Plus, we as an organization have benefited greatly from players who've wanted to be here.

 

When a star of Kane's magnitude says he wants to be in NY publicly, and that he's disappointed (which I'm sure hints at a bunch of conversation), I can't see the Rangers taking that lightly.

 

Obviously, I'm not saying we owe ever player who wants to be a Ranger a slot on the roster, but this seems to be a situation where it would benefit the Rangers 

[Sharpshooter]

If anything it's nice to hear players being disappointed that they're not here. I don't know if bringing him in now makes any sense though. I saw them getting Tarasenko as that being the alternative to getting Kane.

 

Bring in a Bonnino or a Bjugstad and I think that's enough. Something like that fills more of a need at this point.

[siddious]

7 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said:

If anything it's nice to hear players being disappointed that they're not here. I don't know if bringing him in now makes any sense though. I saw them getting Tarasenko as that being the alternative to getting Kane.

 

Bring in a Bonnino or a Bjugstad and I think that's enough. Something like that fills more of a need at this point.