Pete Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 What's kinda crazy about the Selke is that it's usually won by a center. I can't even remember the last winger that won it...Maybe Lehtinen back in 2003, and he won it a couple of times before that I think?? Before that I think we're back to the Bob Gainey days in Monteral!! But yeah, I'm totally on the Kakko bandwagon. The kid's got game, I just wanna see him get a little stronger, and play even harder!If he fills out and becomes a Marian Hossa-like object, 65-75 point guy, I'd call that a success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I was mostly joking. I think Kakko Krav and Laf you keep under any circumstances- they have all shown signs of brilliance so I am hopeful. But I also know changes are coming so... I wouldn't think they're the pieces on the table unless the guy coming back is literally the perfect fit for the team. I'd look more toward older players with reasonable uncertainty coming up like Buch or Strome, younger guys that feel like more known commodities (Georgiev, Chytil, maybe throw K'Andre in here sort of), and the places we've got significant overages of NHL talent (literally any of Jones, Lundkvist, Robertson, Skinner, and POSSIBLY Kravtsov) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I'd certainly trade from the plethora of defensive depth they have. I like Miller but with Schneider, Lundqvist he is a bit expendable. Cant keep em all just hope they make the right moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I could see Miller being the odd man out. As much potential as there is with him, he's still pretty raw. He started off the season well and went pretty cold after the first 15 or so games. That doesn't bode well for him with plenty of competition nipping at his heels. I question whether or not he'll really ever have a role here that allows him to grow to his full potential. He isn't going to get powerplay opportunities with Fox, Jones, and Lundkvist ahead of him. Jones already usurped his spot down the stretch. Robertson, and Schneider both have more defensive pedigree, and might be more trustworthy defensive options. Miller just feels like the perfect trade piece. He's a physical specimen other teams would probably love to get their hands on. He's just raw and needs opportunities, but I don't think those opportunities will be plentiful enough here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I could see Miller being the odd man out. As much potential as there is with him, he's still pretty raw. He started off the season well and went pretty cold after the first 15 or so games. That doesn't bode well for him with plenty of competition nipping at his heels. I question whether or not he'll really ever have a role here that allows him to grow to his full potential. He isn't going to get powerplay opportunities with Fox, Jones, and Lundkvist ahead of him. Jones already usurped his spot down the stretch. Robertson, and Schneider both have more defensive pedigree, and might be more trustworthy defensive options. Miller just feels like the perfect trade piece. He's a physical specimen other teams would probably love to get their hands on. He's just raw and needs opportunities, but I don't think those opportunities will be plentiful enough here. He definitely started looking like a rookie as the season went on. But that's understandable too. As you said he is as green as you can possibly get, and still looked fantastic at times. You're probably right about PP time. It's going to suck to trade any of these pieces away but I agree he is the odd man out in a lot of ways. Though I disagree that Jones is ahead of him. Miller actually looked pretty good the few PP/offensive situations he was in and Jones (albeit a cup of tea in the NHL) didnt show too much. Guess we cant complain as fans though- there are options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 He definitely started looking like a rookie as the season went on. But that's understandable too. As you said he is as green as you can possibly get, and still looked fantastic at times. You're probably right about PP time. It's going to suck to trade any of these pieces away but I agree he is the odd man out in a lot of ways. Though I disagree that Jones is ahead of him. Miller actually looked pretty good the few PP/offensive situations he was in and Jones (albeit a cup of tea in the NHL) didnt show too much. Guess we cant complain as fans though- there are options. The second powerplay unit was miserable all season and looked even worse personnel-wise once Jones was given control of it. That said, I think he did a commendable job. His offensive skills just far exceed Miller's with the exception of his shooting power. There's a lot more poise and confidence with Jones' offense that just isn't there with Miller. Miller has a great game face and seems unshakeable, but he doesn't execute plays with the same level of success. Jones just has fluidity in the way he walks the line, how easily he connects for passes through the neutral zone, how he finds shooting lanes, etc. I think he's head and shoulders above Miller offensively. Where Jones falters is that he's still a very diminutive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 The second powerplay unit was miserable all season and looked even worse personnel-wise once Jones was given control of it. That said, I think he did a commendable job. His offensive skills just far exceed Miller's with the exception of his shooting power. There's a lot more poise and confidence with Jones' offense that just isn't there with Miller. Miller has a great game face and seems unshakeable, but he doesn't execute plays with the same level of success. Jones just has fluidity in the way he walks the line, how easily he connects for passes through the neutral zone, how he finds shooting lanes, etc. I think he's head and shoulders above Miller offensively. Where Jones falters is that he's still a very diminutive player. You may be right- I feel like I barely saw any of Jones. But if thats the case too I dont mind seeing miller as a PK specialist maybe? His defensive stick is one of the best I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 You may be right- I feel like I barely saw any of Jones. But if thats the case too I dont mind seeing miller as a PK specialist maybe? His defensive stick is one of the best I have seen. He very well could be. I agree that he’s got great stick work and that’ll likely only get better. I’d love to see him turn into a defensive monster, it’s just that I question the likelihood or how soon that’ll happen. He’s a project that could be worth keeping around, but I do think he holds the most value of any of the defensive pieces. If he’s the difference between getting a player the team needs I’m not saying no to his addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 He very well could be. I agree that he’s got great stick work and that’ll likely only get better. I’d love to see him turn into a defensive monster, it’s just that I question the likelihood or how soon that’ll happen. He’s a project that could be worth keeping around, but I do think he holds the most value of any of the defensive pieces. If he’s the difference between getting a player the team needs I’m not saying no to his addition. Same. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I could see Miller being the odd man out. As much potential as there is with him, he's still pretty raw. He started off the season well and went pretty cold after the first 15 or so games. That doesn't bode well for him with plenty of competition nipping at his heels. I question whether or not he'll really ever have a role here that allows him to grow to his full potential. He isn't going to get powerplay opportunities with Fox, Jones, and Lundkvist ahead of him. Jones already usurped his spot down the stretch. Robertson, and Schneider both have more defensive pedigree, and might be more trustworthy defensive options. Miller just feels like the perfect trade piece. He's a physical specimen other teams would probably love to get their hands on. He's just raw and needs opportunities, but I don't think those opportunities will be plentiful enough here. I agree. Miller had some nice moments and possesses a lot of raw potential, but ultimately there's a long road ahead in terms of him playing the position. He was out of position a lot on a consistent basis in the second half. On the other hand, I thought Jones stepped in and played a sound defensive game. He didn't stand out in a Fox-like fashion (only mentioning this because his college coach made that comparison), but the fact he didn't look out of place or uncomfortable in big games down the stretch makes me think he's a keeper unless it's a no brainer type deal. He was cool and calm with the puck. I'm not sure other teams won't see/think the same thing, especially when Miller would cost more via trade. A team that isn't contending any time soon should love the idea of getting Miller though. They can afford to be patient for several more years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I agree. Miller had some nice moments and possesses a lot of raw potential, but ultimately there's a long road ahead in terms of him playing the position. He was out of position a lot on a consistent basis in the second half. On the other hand, I thought Jones stepped in and played a sound defensive game. He didn't stand out in a Fox-like fashion (only mentioning this because his college coach made that comparison), but the fact he didn't look out of place or uncomfortable in big games down the stretch makes me think he's a keeper unless it's a no brainer type deal. He was cool and calm with the puck. I'm not sure other teams won't see/think the same thing, especially when Miller would cost more via trade. A team that isn't contending any time soon should love the idea of getting Miller though. They can afford to be patient for several more years. Agreed. I really liked what I saw from Jones despite the team completely caving in the last few games. He didn't seem overmatched in any way except for his physical limitations. I can't think of a Ranger that's looked more like a kid than he has. He seriously needs to add a few more pounds. I think there's a lot of potential there, though. I tried paying extra attention to Torey Krug during a few of the playoff games I watched and I could see how there's some Krug in Jones' game. Krug looks like he's only a few cheeseburgers heavier. Would be fantastic if Jones could come anywhere close to Krug's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Agreed. I really liked what I saw from Jones despite the team completely caving in the last few games. He didn't seem overmatched in any way except for his physical limitations. I can't think of a Ranger that's looked more like a kid than he has. He seriously needs to add a few more pounds. I think there's a lot of potential there, though. I tried paying extra attention to Torey Krug during a few of the playoff games I watched and I could see how there's some Krug in Jones' game. Krug looks like he's only a few cheeseburgers heavier. Would be fantastic if Jones could come anywhere close to Krug's level. If they bring in a big vet LD I'm not as concerned about the size. They can mix and match so we don't have a pair of tween sized dmen getting physically manhandled every shift. Lindgren - Fox Jones - Trouba Vet LD - Lundkvist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 If they bring in a big vet LD I'm not as concerned about the size. They can mix and match so we don't have a pair of tween sized dmen getting physically manhandled every shift. Lindgren - Fox Jones - Trouba Vet LD - Lundkvist Ideally, Jamie Oleksiak if you're adding a big veteran D. Robertson and Schneider both eventually add in size once they graduate from Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 If they bring in a big vet LD I'm not as concerned about the size. They can mix and match so we don't have a pair of tween sized dmen getting physically manhandled every shift. Lindgren - Fox Jones - Trouba Vet LD - Lundkvist That's gotta be the smallest D-corps in the league. 1 guy over 6'? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Ideally, Jamie Oleksiak if you're adding a big veteran D. Robertson and Schneider both eventually add in size once they graduate from Hartford. Oleksiak would be a nice add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 That's gotta be the smallest D-corps in the league. 1 guy over 6'? A guy like Oleksiak makes it 2. Lindgren is 6' and plays a fairly physical game, so I guess the question is how much does it matter if they are 6' or 6'1" or 6'2"? It's a bit arbitrary. I would see 3 physical players and 3 shifty/talented players in that group. It seems somewhat evenly distributed. Could re-sign Brendan Smith as your rotational/7th too. He's 6'2". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I really liked his play this year, G. He wasn't afraid to play along the walls, and if he can put on some muscle over the next couple of years, he's going to be even more of a force! I think we may have struck paydirt in him being that 2-way, play making digger for the top 6. :thumbs: Sad. Drafted as a scoring machine, almost generational talent... Now we're excited because he is an ok defensive forward who scores nothing. I HATE this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 The second powerplay unit was miserable all season and looked even worse personnel-wise once Jones was given control of it. That said, I think he did a commendable job. His offensive skills just far exceed Miller's with the exception of his shooting power. There's a lot more poise and confidence with Jones' offense that just isn't there with Miller. Miller has a great game face and seems unshakeable, but he doesn't execute plays with the same level of success. Jones just has fluidity in the way he walks the line, how easily he connects for passes through the neutral zone, how he finds shooting lanes, etc. I think he's head and shoulders above Miller offensively. Where Jones falters is that he's still a very diminutive player. Mehhh. Miller is probably the most effective skater on D. As a rookie he had zero problems with keeping up with the pace. I don't deal him due to the fact that I don't even think he has cracked the ice yet. There's so much there already that can't be taught. IMO, he doesn't compare to Jones or Lundkvist because they are different types of players. Who cares if Miller isn't on the 2nd PP. I see him as a shut down defender. He doesn't NEED to put up many points. Get some meat on him and get him adjusted to the longer season and this dude is going to be a must keep. They threw him to the wolves as a rookie. I think he comes in next season as a beast. He learned on the fly this year and he burnt out. Now he has the summer to grow. You don't trade Miller. Not with what we saw from to begin his career. Let's see what the prospects become before we appoint them as replacements for a FUCKING ROOKIE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 A guy like Oleksiak makes it 2. Lindgren is 6' and plays a fairly physical game, so I guess the question is how much does it matter if they are 6' or 6'1" or 6'2"? It's a bit arbitrary. I would see 3 physical players and 3 shifty/talented players in that group. It seems somewhat evenly distributed. Could re-sign Brendan Smith as your rotational/7th too. He's 6'2". My beer league team has bigger, more physical D than that lineup. A winger looking up the ice seeing Fox-Lindgren has a different mindset than seeing Trouba-Miller literally block the entire neutral zone And Miller is probably the most athletic defender they have. We knew his first 1, 2, 3 seasons would be roughs he came out hot and blew away my initial expectations. But we can’t put too much stock in his second half performance. Still young and growing. Miller, Trouba, Robertson, Schneider - good luck! Oh, and Fox, Jones, Lundkvist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 My beer league team has bigger, more physical D than that lineup. A winger looking up the ice seeing Fox-Lindgren has a different mindset than seeing Trouba-Miller literally block the entire neutral zone And Miller is probably the most athletic defender they have. We knew his first 1, 2, 3 seasons would be roughs he came out hot and blew away my initial expectations. But we can’t put too much stock in his second half performance. Still young and growing. Miller, Trouba, Robertson, Schneider - good luck! Oh, and Fox, Jones, Lundkvist... If this were true, Lindgren/Fox would have let up more goals than Miller/Trouba. You might as well trade Jones and Lunkdvist then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 Ideally, Jamie Oleksiak if you're adding a big veteran D. Robertson and Schneider both eventually add in size once they graduate from Hartford. Want. But he's not a third-pairing guy. It's basically Lindgren-Fox, Oleksiak-Trouba, Miller-Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 Want. But he's not a third-pairing guy. It's basically Lindgren-Fox, Oleksiak-Trouba, Miller-Jones? That’s not entirely terrible but you’re forgetting Lundqvist Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 I'm not sold on Jones. I'll be pretty concerned if he's in the top 6 next season to start the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 That’s not entirely terrible but you’re forgetting Lundqvist Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Lundkvist and Jones are the same kind of player to me. If either are making it, it's likely only one of them. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 I'm not sold on Jones. I'll be pretty concerned if he's in the top 6 next season to start the year. Same. I see why everyone compares him to Fox in terms of style but he's so fucking small. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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