cupalife Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, Br4d said: How is Panarin -9 with 21 points in 16 games? Something is totally not clicking here. 12 of his points are power play which has no bearing on +/- That said he has 9 points 5 on 5, not to mention any goals for he was on the ice for he didn't have a point. At minimum he's on the ice for 18 goals against 5 on 5 in 16 games. Obviously just unlucky. You would seem that people would understand that not allowing goals is equally as valuable as scoring them. It's great that he may score 100 points but if he's going to be on the ice for 100 against at 5 on 5 does that matter? To some I guess not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, cupalife said: He only entered the zone after he realized they were in trouble. Correct. Because the Rangers had a 4-3 player advantage, and then Key turned it over. So again, evidence of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Br4d said: How is Panarin -9 with 21 points in 16 games? Something is totally not clicking here. Gotta look at the numbers. It's all right there. His on ice save percentage is 84.91 which is shockingly bad, he's around 93% as a Ranger. When he's out on the ice is when 53% of the teams HDCF occur. When there's an alarmingly high number of pucks going into your net, and and alarmingly low number going in theirs despite the high quality of the chances....And it's not even the quarter pole...That's called "bad luck". When a guy who normally has an on ice save % of 93 is now at 85, and it's a handful of games in...it's an anomaly. Suggesting that a guy we signed 4 years ago and has 260 points in 200 games as a Ranger is now not worth his cap because of this stretch to start the season is just bananas. Edited November 14, 2022 by Pete Was confused on my stats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pete said: Gotta look at the numbers. It's all right there. His on ice save percentage is 84.91 which is shockingly bad, he's around 93% as a Ranger. His on ice shooting percentage is 7.46% despite him shooting 15%+. Trocheck is around 3% and Laffy is at around 7. That's also shockingly bad. When he's out on the ice is when 53% of the teams HDCF occur. When there's an alarmingly high number of pucks going into your net, and and alarmingly low number going in theirs despite the high quality of the chances....And it's not even the quarter pole...That's called "bad luck". When a guy who normally has an on ice save % of 93 is now at 85, and it's a handful of games in...it's an anomaly. Suggesting that a guy we signed 4 years ago and has 260 points in 200 games as a Ranger is now not worth his cap because of this stretch to start the season is just bananas. Its not that he’s not worth his cap, its that the team cant get better in other places because of the caphit. Im afraid to think who we’d havr to give up next offseason and the season after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, CCCP said: Its not that he’s not worth his cap, its that the team cant get better in other places because of the caphit. Im afraid to think who we’d havr to give up next offseason and the season after. You can say that about 4 to 5 other players on the team who aren't exceeding production and having the best years of their career here. It's not that the point isn't valid, it's that the point is in all that valid about this particular player on this particular team as it relates to other players who are far more overpaid. Edited November 13, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Pete said: You can say that about 4 to 5 other players on the team who aren't exceeding production and having the best years of their career here. It's not that the point isn't valid, it's that the point is in all that valid about this particular player on this particular team as it relates to other players who are far more overpaid. Except he is overpaid too. He's wing and why anyone would pay $11.5M for any wing is the argument itself. I get that is what he got based on the market. My point is that is not the market I'm building my team from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 And points aren't everything either. Especially with second assist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, cupalife said: And points aren't everything either. Especially with second assist Pretty rich to say this after spending a page and a half harping on +/- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Pretty rich to say this after spending a page and a half harping on +/- Is it? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, rmc51 said: Pretty rich to say this after spending a page and a half harping on +/- Haven't even discussed his playoff performance yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, cupalife said: Haven't even discussed his playoff performance yet. He's one of the only reasons the team is even in the playoffs to begin with, this is bordering on comical at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pete said: He's one of the only reasons the team is even in the playoffs to begin with, this is bordering on comical at this point. Last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, cupalife said: Last year? I don't even know what you're asking at this point. Look, I appreciate having his talent, which he uses to produce accordingly with his pay grade. If you want to complain about him making too much, therefore we don't have cap to fix the other positions who DON'T do their jobs... Good luck with that. But so far, every unsubstantiated point you've thrown out there has been rebuffed pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 Good morning all, Panarin still soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: Good morning all, Panarin still soft. I'm gonna name my winkie "Panarin"! LOL Dude, this thread is turning into the Octagon of entertainment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: Good morning all, Panarin still soft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 He should be Panarout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 His father looks like Austin Powers, doesn't he??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I wouldn’t cry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 This team needs meaningful change. This is the guy to move always has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cupalife Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) Aho Svechnikov Werenski Gaudreau Hughes Hichier Barzal Pastarnak Marchand McAvoy Dahlin Tage Thompson Seider Larkin Barkov M. Tkachuck B. Tkachuck Point Kucherov Hedman Matthews Kane MacKinnon Makar Hintz Robertson Heiskanen Kaprisov Josi Kyle Connor McDavid Draistl Miller Petterson Eichel Pietrangelo All better than our $11.5M man Edited November 28, 2022 by cupalife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) Artemi Panarin has a No Movement Clause and makes $11.5M a year. Other NHL teams that can afford his cap hit: Anaheim Ducks, Buffalo Sabres, Arizona Coyotes Other NHL teams with more than $4mil of cap space so we don't have to take crap contracts back: Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks We aren't getting shit for him unless we take mediocre contracts back, which you will then proceed to bitch about. The examples where the team getting a package for an individual player makes out better is...maybe Ottawa trading Karlsson, but Ottawa still sucks even with all of these new good players. Not to mention, he's not the problem. The lack of a system is the problem. Without a player like Panarin, we don't sniff the playoffs. Even now we're in a fight for a wildcard spot. And the cap is going up. Plus he's not preventing us from signing anyone right now, or trading for anyone. We have deadline day cap space. This argument is so fucking stupid. Edited November 28, 2022 by Cash or Czech 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 Yea, his 1 goal is 16 games is really helping. Oh yea, assists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Cash or Czech said: Artemi Panarin has a No Movement Clause and makes $11.5M a year. Other NHL teams that can afford his cap hit: Anaheim Ducks, Buffalo Sabres, Arizona Coyotes Other NHL teams with more than $4mil of cap space so we don't have to take crap contracts back: Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks We aren't getting shit for him unless we take mediocre contracts back, which you will then proceed to bitch about. The examples where the team getting a package for an individual player makes out better is...maybe Ottawa trading Karlsson, but Ottawa still sucks even with all of these new good players. Not to mention, he's not the problem. The lack of a system is the problem. Without a player like Panarin, we don't sniff the playoffs. Even now we're in a fight for a wildcard spot. And the cap is going up. Plus he's not preventing us from signing anyone right now, or trading for anyone. We have deadline day cap space. This argument is so fucking stupid. You really think Panarin is going to buy into any kind of a defensive system, play any kind of a defensive game? Im not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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