The Dude Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I wonder if there's a non FDA approved method they are going to try back home for him. "Different approach " and "different avenue " sounds like they are trying alternate methods or experimental stuff. Poor kid. Now he really is Simple Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 50 minutes ago, The Dude said: Poor kid. Now he really is Simple Jack. I think he's trying to avoid becoming Simple Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Too bad man. Skate your entire life wanting to be a pro. Huge sacrifices along the way. Get to the big dance and POW! So unfortunate health wise for a young man. Get well bud. Come back and help us if you can either by playing or trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I mean really its at the point where unless they can be confident hes not just going to be concussed immediately again he should def. not return. Forget hockey, theres no reason to voluntarily put your life in danger. And its no help to the Ranger if he comes back and gets injured too. Take all the time you need and I hope he/they figures it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 43 minutes ago, siddious said: I mean really its at the point where unless they can be confident hes not just going to be concussed immediately again he should def. not return. Forget hockey, theres no reason to voluntarily put your life in danger. And its no help to the Ranger if he comes back and gets injured too. Take all the time you need and I hope he/they figures it out. It’s dicey. As concussions are. The more you get, the worse they get, and the less it takes to get another, as general rules go. But… he could wake up one day and feel great. He could step on the ice again and play 10+ years and never get another one. Or the symptoms could never subside. Or he could have everything go well, get back on the ice, and get another in 5 games. But also… it’s dangerous and unpredictable and the long-term health implications are very serious. I think they’ve handled him well. I think they’ve done right by him. And I think the reset of letting him go back to Europe and all of that is a good idea. It’s also good that he can skate on his own sone and make a long, Transatlantic flight at this stage. Normally during the worst part of being concussed, flying is a no go. So there’s some progress. Im not expecting him back this season. But I think he can probably play again. Edited January 2 by RangersIn7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) The speak from the org has been that they think he makes it back this year. I would think if it's as serious as career threatening, they would be a lot more vague and wouldn't even mention a timetable whatsoever. The skeptic in me wonders if they are handling this in a way that 1) gives Chytil more than enough time that he needs to recover, and 2) allows them to play the LTIR game for an advantage and extra rest for Chytil can't hurt. Edited January 2 by BrooksBurner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 57 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: The speak from the org has been that they think he makes it back this year. I would think if it's as serious as career threatening, they would be a lot more vague and wouldn't even mention a timetable whatsoever. The skeptic in me wonders if they are handling this in a way that 1) gives Chytil more than enough time that he needs to recover, and 2) allows them to play the LTIR game for an advantage and extra rest for Chytil can't hurt. That’s a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The team isn't going to admit that he's out for the season because it will put them at a disadvantage if they try to make a deal. When a team is drowning no one is throwing a life preserver, everybody wants to toss you an anvil. Laviolette has said they're "hopeful" he returns this year, I don't see that as a positive remark. It's hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 51 minutes ago, Pete said: The team isn't going to admit that he's out for the season because it will put them at a disadvantage if they try to make a deal. When a team is drowning no one is throwing a life preserver, everybody wants to toss you an anvil. Agreed. Unless your Jeff Gorton. Then you take out a full page ad to tell everyone you're packing it in so maximum trade value lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 59 minutes ago, Pete said: The team isn't going to admit that he's out for the season because it will put them at a disadvantage if they try to make a deal. When a team is drowning no one is throwing a life preserver, everybody wants to toss you an anvil. Laviolette has said they're "hopeful" he returns this year, I don't see that as a positive remark. It's hope. Of course… But they’re not going to play it otherwise if it’s not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 I think we'll probably see him again, but not this year. Taking a year off did not help Lindros or LaFontaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 54 minutes ago, Pete said: The team isn't going to admit that he's out for the season because it will put them at a disadvantage if they try to make a deal. When a team is drowning no one is throwing a life preserver, everybody wants to toss you an anvil. Laviolette has said they're "hopeful" he returns this year, I don't see that as a positive remark. It's hope. Just now, Keirik said: Agreed. Unless your Jeff Gorton. Then you take out a full page ad to tell everyone you're packing it in so maximum trade value lol. I mean its phil chytil. I like the guy but hes not zib or igor. im pretty sure all the other GM's know the rangers need to fill a hole at center 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 It's a good sign he was skating on his own and able to take the long flight when it comes to healing enough to do normal day to day things. Even at that we don't know if he was experiencing any symptoms like lightheadedness, headaches, being disoriented after exerting himself. There are so many variables. From a hockey standpoint he barely made contact at that triggered this kind of result, that's a terrible sign. I would have little to no confidence in him being able to be counted on going forward. That's all secondary of course. His only asset value at this point is the possible LTIR cap relief. Very unfortunate on all fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The joke I made on the other thread a while back is imagine if the Rangers finally manage to play 4d salary cap chess like the lightning did on their run to the Cup, or the knights did that one year, except instead of getting back players like Nikita Kucherov, Brayden Point, or Mark Stone for free off the books, we get... Chytil and Kakko. It just makes me giggle every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 41 minutes ago, siddious said: I mean its phil chytil. I like the guy but hes not zib or igor. im pretty sure all the other GM's know the rangers need to fill a hole at center Agree. Leverage would be more valid if the Rangers' season was slipping away because of the injury. Clearly that's not the case. If anything, it makes it easier to complete a reasonable trade because most competing teams are up against the cap and have to negotiate retention. The Rangers won't. Any leverage a trade partner will have will be what it always is around the deadline, and that's how many other teams are bidding and what they are offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pete said: The team isn't going to admit that he's out for the season because it will put them at a disadvantage if they try to make a deal. When a team is drowning no one is throwing a life preserver, everybody wants to toss you an anvil. Laviolette has said they're "hopeful" he returns this year, I don't see that as a positive remark. It's hope. But if they're making a deal..... it's admission that he's done for the season. The second Drury calls and inquiries about a decent center, the cats out the bag. Nevermind the salary they would be willing to absorb also tells the other GM how desperate Drury is. Edited January 2 by The Dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, siddious said: I mean its phil chytil. I like the guy but hes not zib or igor. im pretty sure all the other GM's know the rangers need to fill a hole at center Bonino has been playing center on the 3rd line for like 20 games now. If that's not a flashing red light that the Rangers need help at center nothing is. Really having Goodrow at center on the 4th line for most of that is just another flashing red light although 4th line centers aren't that hard to find if you really go looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 19 minutes ago, The Dude said: But if they're making a deal..... it's admission that he's done for the season. The second Drury calls and inquiries about a decent center, the cats out the bag. Nevermind the salary they would be willing to absorb also tells the other GM how desperate Drury is. This means nothing. If teams call about Lindholm, which ever team makes the best offer gets the deal. They aren't going to take a worse offer because "Drury is desperate" and should offer extra. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 21 minutes ago, Long live the King said: This means nothing. If teams call about Lindholm, which ever team makes the best offer gets the deal. They aren't going to take a worse offer because "Drury is desperate" and should offer extra. Meh. They can definitely ask for more from Drury. Thats kinda how it works and what we are talking about. The team that needs him the most will be asked to give the most. The Rangers being down a 40+ point center that they have to replace, vs the Rangers not being down a 40+ point that they don't have to replace is a totally different negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 57 minutes ago, The Dude said: Meh. They can definitely ask for more from Drury. Thats kinda how it works and what we are talking about. The team that needs him the most will be asked to give the most. The Rangers being down a 40+ point center that they have to replace, vs the Rangers not being down a 40+ point that they don't have to replace is a totally different negotiation. If a GM takes the second best offer because he asks for more on top of the best offer he won't be a GM for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 It's not that deep, guys. Most NHL GMs are pretty tight-lipped, especially when it comes to injuries. Drury runs an especially tight ship. They're not going to announce he's out for the season until they have a plan, and that plan is not Bonino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 34 minutes ago, Long live the King said: If a GM takes the second best offer because he asks for more on top of the best offer he won't be a GM for long. This makes no sense. Why would another teams offer be less than the Rangers and why would the GM take less? By saying the GM would ask for more from the Rangers, I don't mean that they would accept less from someone else. Just that if Drury calls and makes an offer, the GM has him in checkmate because he knows he can get more out of him in a counter offer. Not that he'll take less from someone else. The Rangers will set the base price for centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 22 minutes ago, Pete said: It's not that deep, guys. Most NHL GMs are pretty tight-lipped, especially when it comes to injuries. Drury runs an especially tight ship. They're not going to announce he's out for the season until they have a plan, and that plan is not Bonino. If the caller ID says Drury...... You know Chytil is done. You know you have him over a barrel, the second the conversation is about your top 6 center. It doesn't have to be announced. The plan is not Bonino and it's not a secret. He calls and the discussion is going straight to financials. The Rangers can't take on a big salary..... Unless Chytil is done. Why do you think this wouldn't be a huge red flag right off the bat? They can't add a 4+ million dollar player unless Chytil is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 5 minutes ago, The Dude said: If the caller ID says Drury...... You know Chytil is done. You know you have him over a barrel, the second the conversation is about your top 6 center. It doesn't have to be announced. The plan is not Bonino and it's not a secret. He calls and the discussion is going straight to financials. The Rangers can't take on a big salary..... Unless Chytil is done. Why do you think this wouldn't be a huge red flag right off the bat? They can't add a 4+ million dollar player unless Chytil is done. That's a rather large assumption you're making. Maybe he's not asking for a top 6 center. Point is, they're not going to announce Chytil is done for the season unless they already have a backup plan executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, Pete said: That's a rather large assumption you're making. Maybe he's not asking for a top 6 center. Point is, they're not going to announce Chytil is done for the season unless they already have a backup plan executed. I mean if they’re asking about 2nd line centers the cats kind of out of the bag though. I don’t see how hiding it helps them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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