Pete Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I never said Namestnikov's contract was good, but at least it isn't 5 years long. Also, Namestnikov was on a 58 point pace with Tampa last year. Context matters.Miller was a point per game player and Tampa gave him the deal he warranted for the player he is. Names scored 2 goals here and we paid him for the player he was somewhere else. If we're talking about Gorton mistakes... This is a pretty big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Miller was a point per game player and Tampa gave him the deal he warranted for the player he is. Names scored 2 goals here and we paid him for the player he was somewhere else. If we're talking about Gorton mistakes... This is a pretty big one. Totally agree. Miller produced 50 plus points here, so context does matter. Miller is a superior player to Namestnikov. Didn’t want to bring it up because I also get the man crush response and the conversation gets old quick. People act like miller was a throwaway. He’d easily be in our top 6 right now and probably top 3 in scoring if he were here. So we traded our top defenseman and one of our leading scorers in his early 20s for a questionable return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Miller is labeled with attitude issues. Combined with his upcoming long[er]-term contract and needing top 6 minutes, it made more sense to get Namestnikov for the Rangers , heading into this season. But I also don’t think the trade was Miller for Namestnikov McDonagh for Hajek, Namestnikov, 1st Miller for Howden, 2nd (cond) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Miller is labeled with attitude issues. Combined with his upcoming long[er]-term contract and needing top 6 minutes, it made more sense to get Namestnikov for the Rangers , heading into this season. But I also don’t think the trade was Miller for Namestnikov McDonagh for Hajek, Namestnikov, 1st Miller for Howden, 2nd (cond) This is no better LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Miller was a point per game player and Tampa gave him the deal he warranted for the player he is. Names scored 2 goals here and we paid him for the player he was somewhere else. If we're talking about Gorton mistakes... This is a pretty big one. No, not really. I agree with Josh. It wasn't Namestnikov for Miller. Miller got demoted in the playoffs last year because he sucked. He is demoted down to the 3rd line because of poor production. He is on a team that is on pace for 127 points and leads the NHL in goals scored by far. He is on pace for 14 goals. Yikes. All without mentioming his propensity to turning the puck over at his own blueline. It is worse than the Brady Skjei contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 No, not really. I agree with Josh. It wasn't Namestnikov for Miller. Miller got demoted in the playoffs last year because he sucked. He is demoted down to the 3rd line because of poor production. He is on a team that is on pace for 127 points and leads the NHL in goals scored by far. He is on pace for 14 goals. Yikes. All without mentioming his propensity to turning the puck over at his own blueline. It is worse than the Brady Skjei contract.This is just massive hyperbole so we can just agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 This is just massive hyperbole so we can just agree to disagree. Yeah that 14 goal thing is hard to dispute. Too-da-loo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Yeah that 14 goal thing is hard to dispute. Too-da-loo.50 point forward making 5.25 vs 20 point D making the same ... Is a worse contract? That's comical. I don't know what point you're trying to make other than Tampa has the best top 6 in the NHL and Miller isn't in it... So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 This is no better LOL. For a RFA they didn’t plan on re-signing? Solid bottom 6 prospect and a potential first rounder? Equivalent to Tolvanen + 1st (But yeah, I’d whine a bit if they traded Kreider for that ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 For a RFA they didn?t plan on re-signing? Solid bottom 6 prospect and a potential first rounder? Equivalent to Tolvanen + 1st (But yeah, I?d whine a bit if they traded Kreider for that )Whatever they said about his "attitude" after he got traded was the first and last we heard. It was likely garbage regardless. If attitude around young players was an issue, the Sadbo Baggins would have been gone already. Yzerman got the best of Rangers brass. Again. (And Howden isn't anywhere near Tolvanen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Yeah that 14 goal thing is hard to dispute. Too-da-loo. At the time of the trade miller had just put up 56 points and was on pace for the same last year as a ranger. In the same situation Namestnikov is on pace for under 30 points and maybe 8 goals? You’re hung up on 14? We’ll see how the trade pans out but it doesn’t look good right now. Long way to go no doubt. Hardly a trade to garner Gorton praise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Link: Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Link: Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkOooo, that's spicy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Link: Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk They need to get whatever they can from Both Duchene and Stone since their production has gone down. I still don't know why Dorien made that trade with COL that included OTT's first round pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 How about we trade Skjei? He has not produced as much as we wanted him to and being paid $5.25 mm for five years can't make him play defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The Rangers got their horse, Raddysh, in a trade for Peter Holland. We're really going to miss 'ol Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Miller for Howden, 2nd (cond) I have a hard time imagining that the return for Miller was greater than the return for Evander Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Rangers are continuing to get a lot of action on their potential rentals, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello and Adam McQuaid and right now it’s fair to say that more likely than not that all three of them will be traded by Monday. There seems to be a fair amount of action on all of them.” “The sense seems to be that Hayes can fetch a first round pick and prospect.” “Zuccarello could fetch a 2nd round pick and prospect.” McQuaid could fetch, potentially, a third round pick.” “These are very fluid situations and right now it seems like all of the focus of the Rangers is on trying to trade those players. That is not to say that if they don’t like what is on the table for any of them that they couldn’t go back to each of their reps and see if they could fashion a contract extension but right now all the focus is on trying to trade these guys and those prices are what the Rangers are hopeful, optimistic and expecting to get.” Bob McKenzie on NBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenvold Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Bob McKenzie on NBC So: 1st, 2nd, 3rd plus 2 prospects Hayes, Zuccarello, McQuaid That's a nice haul, in my opinion. It likely gives them 3 picks in the top-40 and a further 4 picks from 40-93. That makes for a big draft harvest and plenty of freedom to trade up during both draft days. And it gets even better if Tampa wins the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 So: 1st, 2nd, 3rd plus 2 prospects Hayes, Zuccarello, McQuaid That's a nice haul, in my opinion. It likely gives them 3 picks in the top-40 and a further 4 picks from 40-93. That makes for a big draft harvest and plenty of freedom to trade up during both draft days. And it gets even better if Tampa wins the Cup. Im happy with this, especially if the prospects are atleast B prospects. If Tampa wins the cup we would have 4 picks in the top 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 something happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 something happen! This! Can?t wait to be disappointed lol Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 u would think kreider would be getting more looks as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 And the price should be very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 Trade tracker links for when things get busy: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/trade-tracker/ https://www.nhl.com/news/2018-19-nhl-trades/c-289968698 https://sports.yahoo.com/nhl-trade-tracker-2019-latest-001428093.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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