Phil Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 They can be. I'm this case they are. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Reported for abusive content. Get a fucking room, you two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Reported for abusive content. Get a fucking room' date=' you two.[/quote'] Can't, been kicked out of every roadside motel from Maine to Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 This is what I?m hearing: They?re looking to move Vesey and Hayes Kovy 3 mill Tavares 10 ( will push for JT the hardest ) Karlsson 10 ( 2019-20 ) This Hayes and Vesey stuff makes me happy. Hopefully they can nab a quality D man in return for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I dont want to move Hayes. Would rather move Zibanejad, especially if we are bringing in a center and a RH shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I dont want to move Hayes. Would rather move Zibanejad, especially if we are bringing in a center and a RH shooter. I don't understand people wanting to hang on to Hayes. Not just you but others have said the same. I don't get it. What's to like about him? Defense? You can get that anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I don't understand people wanting to hang on to Hayes. Not just you but others have said the same. I don't get it. What's to like about him? Defense? You can get that anywhere. Simply put, he out produces Zibanejad in ever aspect, other than the PP. Comparing ES or PK numbers between the two is pretty telling, including +/- For comparison, he put up 44 points this season (45, 39, 49 previously). Artem Anisimov's top season was 45 points, playing with Patrick Kane. And Hayes, unlike Zibs, can play on any line. 1st or 4th. I dont see either being a top-line guy for the next few years, so I really look at that versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 ok with moving both Hayes and Vecsey both have underwhelmed plus they both have stupid looks on their faces imo :). Zib still has a lot to prove as well, he could start by ditching the frosted tips that were maybe cool in the late 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 This is what I?m hearing: They?re looking to move Vesey and Hayes Kovy 3 mill Tavares 10 ( will push for JT the hardest ) Karlsson 10 ( 2019-20 ) IIRC you have some ties to the org? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Simply put, he out produces Zibanejad in ever aspect, other than the PP. Comparing ES or PK numbers between the two is pretty telling, including +/- For comparison, he put up 44 points this season (45, 39, 49 previously). Artem Anisimov's top season was 45 points, playing with Patrick Kane. And Hayes, unlike Zibs, can play on any line. 1st or 4th. I dont see either being a top-line guy for the next few years, so I really look at that versatility. "Simply put, I have a hard-on for Zibenajad, therefore I will try to paint his as useless as humanly possible." Don't know what Anisimov has to do with it, but at least acknowledge that 45 points was in 64 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Zibanejad P/GP: 2017-18 - 0.65 2016-17 - 0.66 2015-16 - 0.63 2014-15 - 0.58 Anisomov P/GP: 2017-18 - 0.43 2016-17 - 0.70 2015-16 - 0.55 2014-15 - 0.52 I'll take Zibanejad every day of the week. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Phil, sorry. The comparisons are based off Hayes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 "Simply put, I have a hard-on for Zibenajad, therefore I will try to paint his as useless as humanly possible." Don't know what Anisimov has to do with it, but at least acknowledge that 45 points was in 64 games... I think most would say AA is a solid 2C. Hayes is better, playing with less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I think most would say AA is a solid 2C. Hayes is better, playing with less.Oh, didn't realize that's where you were going. Hayes reminds me of Jordan Staal. Exceled playing behind some guys but will never carry the load in a top 6 role. But that's no reason to trade him. Move Zib to wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Oh, didn't realize that's where you were going. Hayes reminds me of Jordan Staal. Exceled playing behind some guys but will never carry the load in a top 6 role. But that's no reason to trade him. Move Zib to wing. I'm a huge proponent of moving Zib to wing... But with the other moves mentioned, it makes him expendable... In that scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm a huge proponent of moving Zib to wing... But with the other moves mentioned, it makes him expendable... In that scenarioHe's locked into a reasonable deal and a year younger than Hayes. Plus a right shot. Kovalchuk doesn't make him expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If Zib isn’t getting #1 PP time and he’s not getting first line minutes, when’s he getting his points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If Zib isn?t getting #1 PP time and he?s not getting first line minutes, when?s he getting his points? If say, Kovalchuck - Tavares - Chytil was our first line, and Kreider - Zib - Buch was our second line, and Zib was on the #2 PP, he'd still get his points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 hope there's a plan B for the first line because there's three question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torontonyr Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Zib might be the perfect 2nd line C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm still trying to figure out why we need kovalchuk if we have Zib on RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 If say, Kovalchuck - Tavares - Chytil was our first line, and Kreider - Zib - Buch was our second line, and Zib was on the #2 PP, he'd still get his points. Sure, not terrible. IMO, we need to get Mika on the wing. Let him rip. Let him focus on scoring. That’s where he will be the most beneficial to the team. But more importantly, we need a 1C, and it’s not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 I'm still trying to figure out why we need kovalchuk if we have Zib on RW. Kovalchuk is LW. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I’d prefer Zibanejad on the left. One timer . How he plays on the pp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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