Seravalli Rangers Paying Attention to Patrick Kane; Sike! No, They Aren't

[Pete]

11 minutes ago, Br4d said:

He's going to be 35 in a month or so and he's coming off a major surgery.

 

If he came in and looked really good it'd probably be an ok signing but he's absolutely not what a roster built like this one needs.

 

I have no desire to go through a complete rebuild again in a year or two.  If the Rangers need a push in a couple of months bring up Othmann.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, but let's stop acting like he's got nothing left to give. He would still be the best right-wing on this roster, today. 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Pete

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said:

We have to primarily look at points when the value of the player we are talking about is completely derived from offensive production. He’s not a two way player. He’s not a PKer. He’s not a forechecker. He’s not a gritty bottom 6 type. He hasn’t been a well rated possession player in years.

He’s got value, but for a team who needs a PP specialist.

You're Not looking at points. You're looking at even strength points specifically and that's the only stat you point at when comparing anybody.

 

He's obviously going to play on the power play if he's here. And I have no doubt Laviolette uses him more effectively than GG.

 

I'm not advocating bringing him on board, but again let's not act like he's got nothing to give. 

[BrooksBurner]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

You're Not looking at points. You're looking at even strength points specifically and that's the only stat you point at when comparing anybody.

 

He's obviously going to play on the power play if he's here. And I have no doubt Laviolette uses him more effectively than GG.

 

I'm not advocating bringing him on board, but again let's not act like he's got nothing to give. 

 

Yes, because there isn't room for his role on PP1 and he'd be playing even strength hockey.

 

He obviously shouldn't be put on the PP as it exists after last year. He's got some value. It just isn't here.

[Br4d]

18 minutes ago, Pete said:

I don't necessarily disagree, but let's stop acting like he's got nothing left to give. He would still be the best right-wing on this roster, today. 

 

 

What he has to give is something the Rangers already have and should be developing in younger players who will be part of the 2026-2027 team.

 

Also, it's not clear to me that the same thing that happened last year wouldn't happen again with lots of dislocation in the lines and players doing what they want to do instead of what needs to get done.

 

Laviolette is making a big deal about north-south not east-west and last year for us Kane reinforced the tendency to go east-west.

[RichieNextel305]

I still stand by this sentiment: if he wants to be here, and is willing to take a little salary to be here, you practically can’t not investigate what it would take to have him here. A motivated, presumably healthy Kane with a chip on his shoulder is someone I’d like on my side.

[Pete]

38 minutes ago, Br4d said:

 

What he has to give is something the Rangers already have and should be developing in younger players who will be part of the 2026-2027 team.

 

Also, it's not clear to me that the same thing that happened last year wouldn't happen again with lots of dislocation in the lines and players doing what they want to do instead of what needs to get done.

 

Laviolette is making a big deal about north-south not east-west and last year for us Kane reinforced the tendency to go east-west.

The Rangers don't have a 65 point at minimum right wing in the top six. They also aren't in the business of developing anyone right now. They are in the business of winning, that's why Lavvy is the coach. Cuylle is here because he's in NHL player. Not because they want to give him a whirl and a cup of coffee.

 

If you can't tell the entire coaching staff has a different demeanor then last year staff did, then nothing I can say will convince you. 

[RJWantsTheCup]

I always go back to 94 when we traded youngsters for vets and won the cup.  I can’t recall a single Rangers fan complaining then.  Even though most of those trades hurt the team in the long run.  If moving a youngster who may or may not develop into something more down the road can make this team have a better chance to win the cup I’m all for the gamble.  Right now Kane is better than any RW on the team.  
26-27 is a long ways off.  Who the hell knows who will still be around then.  I think maybe 5 or 6 current players are under contract until then.  That’s a massive turnover of the roster more than likely.  

[RangersIn7]

18 minutes ago, Br4d said:

He's going to be 35 in a month or so and he's coming off a major surgery.

 

If he came in and looked really good it'd probably be an ok signing but he's absolutely not what a roster built like this one needs.

 

I have no desire to go through a complete rebuild again in a year or two.  If the Rangers need a push in a couple of months bring up Othmann.

 

Othmann is going to be an option this year no matter what.

And it’s possible that he’s impactful

Personally, I think and feel that Othmann will actually be a significantly better player than he’s projected.

People are slating him as a middle-6 forward. 

 

I think he’s better than that. I think he’s a top-6. And I think he’s a 30-goal guy.

And I think he’s going to round out into a very finished player, all-around. 
 

But he’s still only 20 and just playing his first professional games.

Having Kane, if he’s healthy and can be effective, doesn’t block Othmann.

 

You may actually be able to utilize them together. 

 

 

 

[Br4d]

12 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

Having Kane, if he’s healthy and can be effective, doesn’t block Othmann.

 

You may actually be able to utilize them together. 

 

 

 

 

You have to be kidding here.  Kane will block Othmann like a block of granite in his way.

 

Rangers fans always think that getting the big star will put us over the top but what we wind up with is the sloppy seconds left over after the "star" has exhausted his star power.

 

See Phil Esposito for case one in that and Phil Esposito was twice the player Patrick Kane is when we acquired him.

 

Patrick Kane is like the opium on the ice for Rangers fans this year.  He's a pipedream.

[Albatrosss]

He’s gotta be better than Wheeler though 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by CCCP

[BrooksBurner]

28 minutes ago, CCCP said:

He’s gotta be better than Wheeler though 

 

 

Yes, but it won’t be limited to Wheeler vs Kane. There will be a dozen or more better fits than an old bum hip PP specialist.

[Sharpshooter]

It would be cool to have him, back. Even if he's still somewhat hampered by the procedure, I think he still be pretty damn good. And yeah, the team needs as much RW depth as they can get. Obviously there's mutual interest, so if they can make it work, he'll be here. I don't think it's a lock, though, but I give it a good chance of happening. Also, I don't know if he really wants to move once again to another team. 

[siddious]

10 hours ago, Br4d said:

 

You have to be kidding here.  Kane will block Othmann like a block of granite in his way.

 

Rangers fans always think that getting the big star will put us over the top but what we wind up with is the sloppy seconds left over after the "star" has exhausted his star power.

 

See Phil Esposito for case one in that and Phil Esposito was twice the player Patrick Kane is when we acquired him.

 

Patrick Kane is like the opium on the ice for Rangers fans this year.  He's a pipedream.

If he’s taking less money to come here I would assume it’s a 1 yr deal. Othman can stew in the AHL for the season it won’t harm

him. 
 

he’s not blocking anyone. 

[Pete]

There's a serious hole in the logic here... I don't care if he's 35, I don't care if he's just off surgery, is he a better RW than anyone on the roster not named Kakko? If yes, And you can afford him, then you sign him for the season. 

 

This isn't hard. This isn't a multi-year deal we're talking about. This is taking one shot at it, and there's even a chance that you can trade him if it isn't working out and they don't put any trade protection in the deal. 

 

The question is not whether or not he makes the team better, the question is whether or not he can be fit in the salary cap. That's really all there is to it. 

[The Dude]

The thing with Kane is, the window to get him cheap/ pro rated is this year. I don't want to watch a guy pretty much coming back from surgery. I don't like wincing and cringing when a player is about to go through traffic or take a hit. Not for a guy the team would be depending on to be above average if not next level. They don't need a guy with an excuse in his back pocket,  if he doesn't fit. "Of course he didn't back check. What do you expect from a guy coming back from major surgery? He came back early to be here!"

 

 

If they have cap space NEXT season and if guys like Kakko,  Lafrenière and Othmann aren't progressed enough to lean on fir our top 6... I'd  try a reunion then. 

 

Let him figure out his limitations and get his confidence where it needs to be, before he comes in as a savior. 

 

IMO, Patrick Kane getting tons of opportunity to work his kinks out isn't more important or more productive than giving the kids the opportunity or bringing in someone else who isn't coming back from surgery.  

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by The Dude

[LindG1000]

We'd be foolish to pass on the opportunity to roster a healthy Patrick Kane within our cap. Healthy, he's our best offensive RW.

 

I think this goes double with how forgettable Blake Wheeler looks right now. 

[RangerDanger]

I'm not really for or against Kane. A little hesitant because of his injury & recovery, but I also absolutely am not a fan of Wheeler. I'm just having a hard time figuring out A) where do you slot him in, and B) where do you move the player who just lost their spot to him? What does a Rangers/Kane lineup look like?

[LindG1000]

2 minutes ago, RangerDanger said:

I'm not really for or against Kane. A little hesitant because of his injury & recovery, but I also absolutely am not a fan of Wheeler. I'm just having a hard time figuring out A) where do you slot him in, and B) where do you move the player who just lost their spot to him? What does a Rangers/Kane lineup look like?

 

I think it pushes Wheeler down, tbh, but who knows where we're at on the Kreider-Zib-Kakko or Panarin-Chytil-Laf experiments in 6 weeks when this becomes a relevant conversation

[RJWantsTheCup]

Rangers are in a precarious situation.  They need to have patience with the young players, but the longer they wait around the older the core gets and the harder it will to keep everyone and be under the cap.  They really have no choice but to go for the cup now while trying to stay patient too.  Not an easy task to balance.  Some sacrifices in youth might have to be made.   Especially since all the young players are leftwings.

[BrooksBurner]

29 minutes ago, Pete said:

There's a serious hole in the logic here... I don't care if he's 35, I don't care if he's just off surgery, is he a better RW than anyone on the roster not named Kakko? If yes, And you can afford him, then you sign him for the season. 

 

This isn't hard. This isn't a multi-year deal we're talking about. This is taking one shot at it, and there's even a chance that you can trade him if it isn't working out and they don't put any trade protection in the deal. 

 

The question is not whether or not he makes the team better, the question is whether or not he can be fit in the salary cap. That's really all there is to it. 

Those are not the only questions. Kane consumes any cap flexibility the team hopes to have at the deadline, so the question is really “is Kane a better fit than the other options that will be available?”. The odds are high the answer to that is no. The team needs to be looking for a Lehkonen type.

[Sharpshooter]

Kane is one of my all time favorite non Rangers, and I want to will this into existence so he can play out the rest of his days here. However long that may be. So there. The fact that our depth at that position is so bad that we're talking about this needing to happen is pretty sad, though. lol Between Wheeler and our guys just developing or looking that great in general, we have to do something like this.

[The Dude]

It's game 3 and everyone is ready to trash Wheeler?

 

IMO,  he's been steady and looks to be trying to find his role. No qualms with his defense or his ability transition from defense to offense. He's definitely not as fast as he was years ago,  but we knew that.  

 

New team, new system, established room. I think much like when Kane came here, he doesn't want to step on any toes. I think in the coming days Wheeler will put more together as he adapts to a 3rd line role with a guy who seems hard to play with (Trocheck). That or look more better with Zibanejad and Kreider than Kakko has. 

Edited October 18, 2023 by The Dude

[Ozzy]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

There's a serious hole in the logic here... I don't care if he's 35, I don't care if he's just off surgery, is he a better RW than anyone on the roster not named Kakko? If yes, And you can afford him, then you sign him for the season. 

 

This isn't hard. This isn't a multi-year deal we're talking about. This is taking one shot at it, and there's even a chance that you can trade him if it isn't working out and they don't put any trade protection in the deal. 

 

The question is not whether or not he makes the team better, the question is whether or not he can be fit in the salary cap. That's really all there is to it. 

 

1 hour ago, LindG1000 said:

We'd be foolish to pass on the opportunity to roster a healthy Patrick Kane within our cap. Healthy, he's our best offensive RW.

 

I think this goes double with how forgettable Blake Wheeler looks right now. 

 

1 hour ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

Rangers are in a precarious situation.  They need to have patience with the young players, but the longer they wait around the older the core gets and the harder it will to keep everyone and be under the cap.  They really have no choice but to go for the cup now while trying to stay patient too.  Not an easy task to balance.  Some sacrifices in youth might have to be made.   Especially since all the young players are leftwings.

 

[Jdog99]

would be exciting to see him get another shot as part of a team that can actually win using style of play instead of being desperate for heroic individual efforts

[Albatrosss]

or he can go back to Chicago and play with Bedard and no pressure