Sod16 Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Financial resources and high payrolls were directly behind all of the cups won by Toronto and Philly over the past 49 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 5/3/2024 at 12:53 PM, Sod16 said: It was really all a matter of sponsoring junior teams, and MSG ownership was too cheap to do that. One problem was that during the 40s and 50s, the Norris family owned both the Red Wings and a major stake in MSG Corp., and they put all of their junior team apples in one basket (the Red Wings). The Rangers were viewed as a filler of dates in an arena that was focused on boxing and the circus. The Rangers did sponsor one great junior team in the 50s, the Guelph Biltmores, who produced Gilbert, Ratelle, Howell, Prentice and others. The league as still skewed that even when the universal draft was begun in 1969, they let gave the CANADIENS the first pick so that they could take the top French Canadien player. Give me a break! That player was Rejean Houle. The Canadiens also flexed their star power quickly in the expansion era. They'd routinely ask future first-round picks from newer franchises in exchange for stability/gate draw. That's how they ended up with Guy Lafleur and multiple first-overall picks while they were winning Cups. Every single year they had an extra first from an expansion team and just did not miss - Lafleur, Shutt, Gainey in consecutive drafts. Heck, even when they missed, they didn't miss hard - Doug Risebrough and Mario Tremblay - were good to great NHLers. It was only when the league grew to 18 or so and years of developmental advantage - both as the 70s Habs aged out and as the QMJHL became far less about the Canadiens - that they finally normalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 It's ironical that Canada seemingly can't win a cup these days. Kind of a fitting bookend with their dominance the first 50 years of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 21 minutes ago, Br4d said: It's ironical that Canada seemingly can't win a cup these days. Kind of a fitting bookend with their dominance the first 50 years of the NFL. Edmonton this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 2 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Noooooooo! He should be about 4 major injuries deep. Upside is limited and foot speed downside is vast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 5 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 Jokes aside - when you’re in round 3 or 4 it’s never a bad thing to have decent depth. Having Chytil, Brodz and Wheeler as backup to injuries is a lot better than Brodz, Leczhyzhyn and Riley Nash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 7 hours ago, LindG1000 said: That player was Rejean Houle. The Canadiens also flexed their star power quickly in the expansion era. They'd routinely ask future first-round picks from newer franchises in exchange for stability/gate draw. That's how they ended up with Guy Lafleur and multiple first-overall picks while they were winning Cups. Every single year they had an extra first from an expansion team and just did not miss - Lafleur, Shutt, Gainey in consecutive drafts. Heck, even when they missed, they didn't miss hard - Doug Risebrough and Mario Tremblay - were good to great NHLers. It was only when the league grew to 18 or so and years of developmental advantage - both as the 70s Habs aged out and as the QMJHL became far less about the Canadiens - that they finally normalized. Actually, what the Habs did was repeatedly swap their first round picks with expansion teams years in advance (trades no one would make today). That's how they got LaFleur. After the 1970 season, Montreal traded its top pick for the following year, 1971, for Oakland's top pick in 1971. It wasn't as dumb from Oakland's standpoint as you might think. Oakland had made the playoffs in 1970 and Montreal had not, resulting in Montreal having a higher pick in 1970. Montreal was thought to be in decline. From the standpoint of the date of the trade, the chances of Montreal missing the playoffs in 1971 in the East were possibly higher than the chances of Oakland missing the playoffs in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 7 hours ago, Br4d said: It's ironical that Canada seemingly can't win a cup these days. Kind of a fitting bookend with their dominance the first 50 years of the NFL. Definitely something to it. Also more teams now than there were when Montreal and Toronto were cleaning up. Toronto was also very poorly run for at least a couple decades when Ballard owned them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 7 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Edmonton this year Rangers-Oilers would be a great final. I'm kind of hoping it's Rangers-Canucks just for the '94 vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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