Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Of course dressing Strome who was obviously unable to play was a terrible decision. But scratching Kakko was irrelevant. Should have just dressed Gauthier and Hunt if he wanted fresh legs. The fact is Kakko didn't make the decision hard enough for the coach, and even he knows it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keirik Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, June1994 said: It wasn’t GH who made the decision I believe. CD or higher You can’t just say that and have no basis for the claim. In this forum, we respect opinions, but there really needs to be something more than throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, June1994 said: It wasn’t GH who made the decision I believe. CD or higher You can’t just say that and have no basis for the claim. In this forum, we respect opinions, but there really needs to be something more than throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June1994 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, Keirik said: You can’t just say that and have no basis for the claim. In this forum, we respect opinions, but there really needs to be something more than throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks. The scratch was Shit ! that’s the Point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, June1994 said: The scratch was Shit ! that’s the Point Okay. But where is the evidence that Drury or even higher superseded Gallant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June1994 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Keirik said: Okay. But where is the evidence that Drury or even higher superseded Gallant? No concrete evidence. Intuition…Feeling…the way Gallant handled and how he answered questions Post game, then next day, didn’t sound like his normal banter with reporters and then 2 days later interview with Drury ‘I back Gerard’s decision’ 3 days later still no substance to decision, vague. And the whole diversion to the cap and contracts and next year motivation intention behind it, the thing is like a dead fish starting to smell right away. All I saw was, Why tell us why you make this Huge decision Of all times !!! Nothing that felt truthful came out of their mouths. Kaapo sounded real in his exit end of season interview. Like he was in Shock. It’s not like there was a tomorrow so they’ll put him back in next game get him motivated to play better. The Kid line stats were just too good compared to rest of team even if he or the line didn’t score in ? Game 4 or 3 . Nobody was…have a good day good night from L.A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, June1994 said: No concrete evidence. Intuition…Feeling…the way Gallant handled and how he answered questions Post game, then next day, didn’t sound like his normal banter with reporters and then 2 days later interview with Drury ‘I back Gerard’s decision’ 3 days later still no substance to decision, vague. And the whole diversion to the cap and contracts and next year motivation intention behind it, the thing is like a dead fish starting to smell right away. All I saw was, Why tell us why you make this Huge decision Of all times !!! Nothing that felt truthful came out of their mouths. Kaapo sounded real in his exit end of season interview. Like he was in Shock. It’s not like there was a tomorrow so they’ll put him back in next game get him motivated to play better. The Kid line stats were just too good compared to rest of team even if he or the line didn’t score in ? Game 4 or 3 . Nobody was…have a good day good night from L.A. You're really overblowing this and making it about one player and not the team. Kakko was not single handledly beating the Bolts. Rangers lost to a better team and if Kakko played better he wouldn't even have been considered for a scratch. If you looked at his stats in a vacuum and removed the name in draft position, then what? No one would be surprised by the scratch. You're flinging all this blame around, but 90% of the blame is on him. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 If CD were to intervene and make controversial scratching decisions over a well established and respected NHL coach, his relationship with that coach would be on fire and the coach would not be long of that team. There is no evidence, or intuition, that would lead one to believe that that is what happened here. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 hours ago, June1994 said: Completely disagree Completely Based on nothing aside from your opinion when I presented actual information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Pete said: You're really overblowing this and making it about one player and not the team. Kakko was not single handledly beating the Bolts. Rangers lost to a better team and if Kakko played better he wouldn't even have been considered for a scratch. If you looked at his stats in a vacuum and removed the name in draft position, then what? No one would be surprised by the scratch. You're flinging all this blame around, but 90% of the blame is on him. Agreed, though the thing that gets me is that the scratch was for an objectively, decisively worse player in Dryden Hunt. If it was for Sammy Blais I don't think I'm near as bothered. Regardless, I don't think Kakko moves the needle much in that game and that's on him to work on. He knows it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: Agreed, though the thing that gets me is that the scratch was for an objectively, decisively worse player in Dryden Hunt. If it was for Sammy Blais I don't think I'm near as bothered. Regardless, I don't think Kakko moves the needle much in that game and that's on him to work on. He knows it too. I don't look at it as a decision between Kakko and Hunt. It was between Kakko and Strome, based on line rushes. They had Panarin with Copp and Kakko in warmups. So that shows you where GGs head was at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Pete said: I don't look at it as a decision between Kakko and Hunt. It was between Kakko and Strome, based on line rushes. They had Panarin with Copp and Kakko in warmups. So that shows you where GGs head was at. That's somehow worse, because it means he actively chose Dryden Hunt as concretely in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 hours ago, June1994 said: So why did Gallant scratch Kaapo? Why would Drury? Neither person doing so would be a good decision. I agree that the skill level of Kakko vs Hunt is insanely lopsided. The contributions one makes in a game vs the other is also lopsided. I don't even understand why Hunt was used as much as he was vs any other option all season. He STINKS. Poor decision to break up the only line that was generating any chances. But, you gotta move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 hours ago, jsrangers said: Chytil was scoring goals, 7 in 20 games most of them in a handful of those games. Kakko and Laf had 2 each in 39 combined games. Nobody was scoring, Kakko has no history of scoring ability in the NHL to date, you have to squint incredibly hard to say you've (not you personally) seen him show any kind of scoring prowess. Well, there was that one game against the flyers. They didn't lose the game because he got scratched, haven't seen this kind of passion for a marginally talented player since our man @Dude and Gauthier. I hope the kid comes back with an attitude and plays with emotion and becomes the player we were sold coming into the draft. We haven't seen that player, yet. Game one against Pitt? People are forgetting the kid missed most of the season and was pretty much put into the lineup just before the playoffs. He was kinda gaining traction and was an integral part of the kid line. The 3 of them together (didn't get much out of any of them when separated) were generating better chances than the other lines. Sustained pressure in any game is something you need and these 3 brought it. Come on. Nobody in this league is dressing Dryden Hunt over Kappo Kakko. Not in any situation. The chances of Hunt breaking a game open are minus infinity. Kakko on the other hand. And when Gauthier scores 25 goals on another NHL team next year', yall can kiss my ass. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 50 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: That's somehow worse, because it means he actively chose Dryden Hunt as concretely in the lineup. Yea over Kevin Rooney? Cancer in your left nut over your right one, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 42 minutes ago, Pete said: Yea over Kevin Rooney? Cancer in your left nut over your right one, IMO. Over Rooney, over Reaves, over Kakko, over (god help me) Gauthier... If he puts in a guy like Rooney, I get it - you've got a center playing at less than 100% in Strome and you need an insurance marker. If Reaves, I get it - same reasoning as Blais - get someone more physically intimidating in there to create space and a little fear. Even Gauthier makes marginally more sense - this dude is fighting for his career and at least drives to the net here and there, which when you're getting boxed out like the Rangers were, maybe he can do something? Dryden Hunt is just the weirdest possible choice there. I don't get it, and I definitely don't get it as a deciding factor in putting the scratch decision between Kakko and Strome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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June1994 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Sod16 said: If CD were to intervene and make controversial scratching decisions over a well established and respected NHL coach, his relationship with that coach would be on fire and the coach would not be long of that team. There is no evidence, or intuition, that would lead one to believe that that is what happened here. Ok GG made the horrible decision Why? Exhausted perhaps. Anxious about being Eliminated. GG why did you make That Decision? Did you talk it over with CD ? You’d think a Major Change in the line up that particular game deserved some brain storming No no I did this All by myself Chris had Nothing to do with this YA THINK? Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 2 hours ago, LindG1000 said: Over Rooney, over Reaves, over Kakko, over (god help me) Gauthier... If he puts in a guy like Rooney, I get it - you've got a center playing at less than 100% in Strome and you need an insurance marker. If Reaves, I get it - same reasoning as Blais - get someone more physically intimidating in there to create space and a little fear. Even Gauthier makes marginally more sense - this dude is fighting for his career and at least drives to the net here and there, which when you're getting boxed out like the Rangers were, maybe he can do something? Dryden Hunt is just the weirdest possible choice there. I don't get it, and I definitely don't get it as a deciding factor in putting the scratch decision between Kakko and Strome. "Fresh legs". That means guys who haven't played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June1994 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Pete said: You're really overblowing this and making it about one player and not the team. Kakko was not single handledly beating the Bolts. Rangers lost to a better team and if Kakko played better he wouldn't even have been considered for a scratch. If you looked at his stats in a vacuum and removed the name in draft position, then what? No one would be surprised by the scratch. You're flinging all this blame around, but 90% of the blame is on him. That too! Where did everyone go. Tampas defense? All year long heard gotta get Igor some help needs goals and offense so he doesn’t have to face high shots every game and win the game. He’ll never last the whole year. Well they got some help at TDL and yes farther along than I thought Amazing year So to try and understand this scratch of KK is well We will never be told the truth I got it thanks for bearing with my ranting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Kakko had a combined 9 goals in 62 regular season and playoff games. His goal scoring rate in the playoffs (2 in 19) was a downturn versus regular season (7 in 43). You can't seriously say benching Kakko hurt us offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, June1994 said: That too! Where did everyone go. Tampas defense? All year long heard gotta get Igor some help needs goals and offense so he doesn’t have to face high shots every game and win the game. He’ll never last the whole year. Well they got some help at TDL and yes farther along than I thought Amazing year So to try and understand this scratch of KK is well We will never be told the truth I got it thanks for bearing with my ranting Here's the truth: Kakko wasn't good enough to NOT have his coach consider scratching him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Pete said: Here's the truth: Kakko wasn't good enough to NOT have his coach consider scratching him. It's really no more complicated than that. Anybody know what Chytil's shooting % was in the playoffs? Compared to the rest of his career? Edited June 16, 2022 by jsrangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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