GDT 2021-22 NHL Trade Deadline: All in, Bay Bay!

[Keirik]

Honestly, our defense really doesn’t need a serious upgrade with the emergence of Schneider. It’s not perfect but it’s an area I’m comfortable keeping in tact.

 

 Upgrading and adding offensive depth is far more important. 

[jsm7302]

Top RW. That is all I want. Goodrow is good at 3c. Jones and Schneider shored up pairing 3.

 

Top RW. Don't mess with the rest.

[Phil]

46 minutes ago, jsm7302 said:

Top RW. That is all I want. Goodrow is good at 3c. Jones and Schneider shored up pairing 3.

 

Top RW. Don't mess with the rest.

 

Nah, they need a definable third-line, too. Goodrow certainly helps, but he still ends up stuck between random fringe NHL players like Gauthier, Hunt, and yes, Chytil.

 

They don't have to go crazy here, they just need to get at least one more quality depth player who can help more than those three. Just get Chris Tierney for a mid-round pick.

 

Tierney/Goodrow-Gauthier is a billion times better than any combination of Gauthier, Hunt, and Chytil between Goodrow.

 

Frankly, Hunt shouldn't be in the lineup in the playoffs unless he's on the forth line.

[Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc]

2 hours ago, Keirik said:

Honestly, our defense really doesn’t need a serious upgrade with the emergence of Schneider. It’s not perfect but it’s an area I’m comfortable keeping in tact.

 

 Upgrading and adding offensive depth is far more important. 

Need to get a LD. Can’t go into the playoffs with Lindgren, Miller and Jones/Tinordi/Hajek on the left side.

 

Grt a solid 3rd pair LD that knows how to defend and is a PK specialist and the defense is set.

[Long live the King]

2 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

Need to get a LD. Can’t go into the playoffs with Lindgren, Miller and Jones/Tinordi/Hajek on the left side.

 

Grt a solid 3rd pair LD that knows how to defend and is a PK specialist and the defense is set.

 

I'm fine with Miller/Trouba and Lindgren/Schneider on the PK with Fox filling in if one of those guys is in the box.  Have a month for Jones to prove he's not a liability 5v5.

[jsm7302]

14 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

 

I'm fine with Miller/Trouba and Lindgren/Schneider on the PK with Fox filling in if one of those guys is in the box.  Have a month for Jones to prove he's not a liability 5v5.

I've liked his game. He is GREEN and growing pains are expected but I think he is ready to learn on the big stage.

[josh]

5 hours ago, Long live the King said:

The more I think about it, while all these big trades are fun to throw around, who's the last team to bring in a big star and win the cup?  Closest I can think of is MSL going to the finals with the Rangers.  Point being...Names and Copp are not only the answer, but far cheaper the some convoluted double retention flow chart. 

Matteau! Matteau! Matteau! 
 

 

 

wasn’t it Gaborik for LA?

[BrooksBurner]

2 hours ago, jsm7302 said:

Top RW. That is all I want. Goodrow is good at 3c. Jones and Schneider shored up pairing 3.

 

Top RW. Don't mess with the rest.

 

1 hour ago, Phil said:

 

Nah, they need a definable third-line, too. Goodrow certainly helps, but he still ends up stuck between random fringe NHL players like Gauthier, Hunt, and yes, Chytil.

 

They don't have to go crazy here, they just need to get at least one more quality depth player who can help more than those three. Just get Chris Tierney for a mid-round pick.

 

Tierney/Goodrow-Gauthier is a billion times better than any combination of Gauthier, Hunt, and Chytil between Goodrow.

 

Frankly, Hunt shouldn't be in the lineup in the playoffs unless he's on the forth line.

 

23 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said:

Need to get a LD. Can’t go into the playoffs with Lindgren, Miller and Jones/Tinordi/Hajek on the left side.

 

Grt a solid 3rd pair LD that knows how to defend and is a PK specialist and the defense is set.

Need all of these things you guys mention. 

 

1) Top 6 RW for scoring help

2) 3rd line C/RW for bottom 6 stability

3) A veteran LD. Though I still believe to be more serious, the team needs a top 4 LD. I’m a bit resistant to shoving “all-in”, short changing the D upgrade, and then expecting Miller to carry that kind of load. I don’t believe he is ready for top 4 D playoff hockey.

Edited February 17, 2022 by rmc51

[Drew a Penalty]

17 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

 

I'm fine with Miller/Trouba and Lindgren/Schneider on the PK with Fox filling in if one of those guys is in the box.  Have a month for Jones to prove he's not a liability 5v5.

 

Agreed. Schneider has taken Nemeth's PK minutes and has shown he's perfectly capable of fitting in. And as you mentioned, Fox is more than capable of filling in as necessary.

 

I also don't think Jones has shown that he's a liability at all. He struggles occasionally with players who can outmuscle him, but that's why it's beneficial to have him alongside Schneider who can outmuscle bigger players and also keep up with quicker ones.

[Pete]

 

3 hours ago, Phil said:

 

I get it, I'm just saying, it's hard to draw a conclusion like "don't swing for the fences because it doesn't work" based on this kind of thinking.

 

Hell, how many teams bolster their bottom-six and also don't win? It can actually be argued that that, too, is a low percentage chance bet because far more teams that do it lose than win.

 

3 hours ago, Long live the King said:

 

I ain't got time for all that research, lol.  Easier to see that the teams wining the cup are bolstering their bottom 6 at the deadline. Ergo, go get Names and Copp.

I mean look at the teams who have won recently...Tampa didn't need to take a big swing (and they got Kooch)...Pittsburgh got Kessel, who cares if it was at the deadline? Same with STL and ROR.

 

Doesn't matter when the big swings are being taken, they are being taken.

[Pete]

DUPE

Edited February 17, 2022 by Pete

[Keirik]

2 hours ago, Long live the King said:

 

I'm fine with Miller/Trouba and Lindgren/Schneider on the PK with Fox filling in if one of those guys is in the box.  Have a month for Jones to prove he's not a liability 5v5.

I don’t mind the d the way i5 is right now. If we improve our offense, we rely less on our D anyway. At some point you have to start having some faith in guys we have too just so you can know what we will keep moving forward.

 

 

[Kick save and a beauty]

43 minutes ago, Keirik said:

I don’t mind the d the way i5 is right now. If we improve our offense, we rely less on our D anyway. At some point you have to start having some faith in guys we have too just so you can know what we will keep moving forward.

 

 

I like our current defensive pairings right now as well.  If only Miller would play to his damned size a little more.

[josh]

Left side way too unreliable for a long playoff run. Lindgren always playing hurt, Miller is inconsistent and Jones is a huge question mark.

[Keirik]

4 minutes ago, josh said:

Left side way too unreliable for a long playoff run. Lindgren always playing hurt, Miller is inconsistent and Jones is a huge question mark.

Lindgren is fine. He’s only missed time due to injury once in his career. For 5 games last year. Miller is going to have to learn one way or another through experience. It’s a salary cap world. They are going to have to start getting reps to guys in the system.  I’m not worried about a 3rd pairing LD when there are bigger things to address first. 
 

[josh]

Just now, Keirik said:

Lindgren is fine. He’s only missed time due to injury once in his career. For 5 games last year. Miller is going to have to learn one way or another through experience. It’s a salary cap world. They are going to have to start getting reps to guys in the system.  I’m not worried about a 3rd pairing LD when there are bigger things to address first. 
 

So if the 12 LD’s, we’ve got one “fine”.

 

im worried about the bottom pair when your #2 guys is ok, and your 2nd pair guy we’re  talking about 5 games 

 

the issue is Lindgren won’t be able to play 25 minutes a night in the playoffs. He gets beat up way too much. 
then you have 5-game Miller playing 25 minutes a night and nemeth or Hajek playing 23. 

[Keirik]

1 minute ago, josh said:

So if the 12 LD’s, we’ve got one “fine”.

 

im worried about the bottom pair when your #2 guys is ok, and your 2nd pair guy we’re  talking about 5 games 

 

the issue is Lindgren won’t be able to play 25 minutes a night in the playoffs. He gets beat up way too much. 
then you have 5-game Miller playing 25 minutes a night and nemeth or Hajek playing 23. 

I just don’t agree. Lindgren has not missed any time during his career, nor does he miss shifts. He’s our top pair with Fox. Our two pair is Trouba and Miller. They’ve been eons better this season compared to last. Have to have some faith in that pair and Miller specifically. He’s 22 and a 1st round pick averaging 20 minutes a night. Hell if we aren’t going to give those guys playoff experience and letting them get used to a different load during the playoffs then they might as well trade them tomorrow because you aren’t building anything. 

[Pete]

They def need a reliable minute eater for LD. 

[The Dude]

12 hours ago, josh said:

Kane had 4 ES points in 2 postseasons playing with Panarin. 
 

he also doesn’t win faceoffs or kill penalties. 

Seriously. What's wrong with the PK? It's not a box that needs to be checked. 

 

Faceoffs, ability to carry a line, willingness to shoot, ability to fight through checks... IMO those are the boxes, and they don't necessarily need to be filled by one player.  

[josh]

12 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Seriously. What's wrong with the PK? It's not a box that needs to be checked. 

 

Faceoffs, ability to carry a line, willingness to shoot, ability to fight through checks... IMO those are the boxes, and they don't necessarily need to be filled by one player.  

Because with a guy that understands defensive play, it takes less pressure off the d 5 on 5. As well as helps the pk. Were talking the playoffs. Not a shit Thursday night game. Strengthen the depth

[The Dude]

3 minutes ago, josh said:

Because with a guy that understands defensive play, it takes less pressure off the d 5 on 5. As well as helps the pk. Were talking the playoffs. Not a shit Thursday night game. Strengthen the depth

Goodrow, Rooney, Zibanejad,  Kreider, Kakko, Lafreniere are the PK forward options.

 

Sure get some depth as a 13th forward to replace Hunt and Mckegg, but I don't think this attribute is a necessity for the spots that are dire needs.

 

It'd be cool to get a complete all in one player. I just don't see one realistically available or one worth paying for (Miller). 

 

These holes are going to be filled by one of Pavelski, Giroux, Reilly Smith and a lesser than top line type player that can either shoot a lot or be a change of pace forward that can slide up and down the lineup. 

[BrooksBurner]

1 minute ago, The Dude said:

Goodrow, Rooney, Zibanejad,  Kreider, Kakko, Lafreniere are the PK forward options.

 

Sure get some depth as a 13th forward to replace Hunt and Mckegg, but I don't think this attribute is a necessity for the spots that are dire needs.

 

It'd be cool to get a complete all in one player. I just don't see one realistically available or one worth paying for (Miller). 

 

These holes are going to be filled by one of Pavelski, Giroux, Reilly Smith and a lesser than top line type player that can either shoot a lot or be a change of pace forward that can slide up and down the lineup. 

Scheifele is the ticket. Reasonable term left, and for two more years. Strome in the top 6 ain’t the winning ticket.

 

Might be more of an offseason move though. Panarin might throw a fit if you take his boy toy away mid season.

 

 

[Keirik]

5 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

Scheifele is the ticket. Reasonable term left, and for two more years. Strome in the top 6 ain’t the winning ticket.

 

Might be more of an offseason move though. Panarin might throw a fit if you take his boy toy away mid season.

 

 

Schiefele is a tough one though. For as good as he's been this past month, he looked lost the other months of the season. 

[BrooksBurner]

9 minutes ago, Keirik said:

Schiefele is a tough one though. For as good as he's been this past month, he looked lost the other months of the season. 

Yes, but his body of work says it was a small blip on the radar. Really doesn’t worry me at all. I’ve low key wanted him since he laid out that dude trying to get an easy empty netter in the playoffs last year. The play he got villified for.

[Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc]

13 hours ago, Keirik said:

I just don’t agree. Lindgren has not missed any time during his career, nor does he miss shifts. He’s our top pair with Fox. Our two pair is Trouba and Miller. They’ve been eons better this season compared to last. Have to have some faith in that pair and Miller specifically. He’s 22 and a 1st round pick averaging 20 minutes a night. Hell if we aren’t going to give those guys playoff experience and letting them get used to a different load during the playoffs then they might as well trade them tomorrow because you aren’t building anything. 

I think its a dumb idea to go "all in" on forward rentals and not do anything about the D. I agree that we need to trust the guys at some point and that they need playoff experience, but we're just not gonna go long in a playoff series with ONE D-man having played real playoff hockey. That's just not gonna work. Jones - Schneider has looked good for a few games now against weaker teams, but playing Canes/Pens/Caps/Florida/Tampa 6-7 times in a couple of weeks is a whole different story.

 

Up one goal in a game 7 vs Penguins with 2 minutes left in round 1. Are you really trusting Miller or Jones-Schneider?