josh Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Phil said: If he signs for 10m I'm pressing reset. Edited September 23, 2021 by josh 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I can’t understand the argument for Eichel over Zib at this point. If Zib is an unknown what exactly does that make Eichel who is no closer to a resolution in his injury now than he was 8 months ago? Zib has proven himself. Pay the man and deal with the back end of the contract then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Kevin said: I can’t understand the argument for Eichel over Zib at this point. If Zib is an unknown what exactly does that make Eichel who is no closer to a resolution in his injury now than he was 8 months ago? Zib has proven himself. Pay the man and deal with the back end of the contract then. Bingo. Moreover, we're conveniently ignoring the fact that Eichel is't a free agent, and the Sabres have self-sabotaged this to this point because they're not going to get bent over a barrel for him. They'd rather let him rot than sell him for pennies on the dollar. What about this situation gives anyone the idea they're about to change their minds? It's not Eichel versus Zibanejad. It's Eichel + neck surgery + the slew of assets you have to trade to acquire him versus Zibanejad. No-brainer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, josh said: 5x5, please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, CCCP said: You’re speculating on everything here. There’s no guarantee that the cap will go up. Mikka could be a concussion away from hanging them up. Eichel will still be in his prime when our kids are and ready to challenge for the cup. Mika will be ancient. You’re looking at now not then If we're waiting four more years for Laf, Kakko, Fox, Lundkvist, and the rest of them to "be ready", we're already fucked. The Mika deal won't matter either way. We need them to be ready this year or next to be 2nd line+, and transition the team leadership to them in 3-4 years. That's the plan. We sign Mika to lead for window 1, and transition in window 2. As for the cap going up - they've tripled the TV element of HRR. It's going up once the escrow debt is paid off. It's not even a debate; it's a mandate from the CBA. Not at all a speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, G1000 said: If we're waiting four more years for Laf, Kakko, Fox, Lundkvist, and the rest of them to "be ready", we're already fucked. The Mika deal won't matter either way. We need them to be ready this year or next to be 2nd line+, and transition the team leadership to them in 3-4 years. That's the plan. We sign Mika to lead for window 1, and transition in window 2. As for the cap going up - they've tripled the TV element of HRR. It's going up once the escrow debt is paid off. It's not even a debate; it's a mandate from the CBA. Not at all a speculation. Yes, 3-4 years for them to be in their prime. Lundkvist hasn’t played an NHL game yet. By the time he’s seasoned NHLer, Zibby and Panarin are 2-3 years from retirement who will be getting paid over $20M of the cap. i know some are saying “we’ll deal with it then” but we’re not contending for the cup now, we most likely will be serious contenders in then. i feel the same way with Panarin. He’s great now but will he be this great when the team will need him the most to contend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 And that's contingent on you being right that they're still years out. If that's the case, then I'd argue they're not going to win, period, because they shot their shot too soon. I don't think they're even close to four years out. I think they're one year out. I actually think they can do real damage this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I saw some recent pictures of Kakko and it looks like he got pretty jacked in the offseason. Considering the strides he made last year, and with a new coach in place, I hope this is the year where the offensive production can match his physical improvements and we get a great year from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Sharpshooter said: I saw some recent pictures of Kakko and it looks like he got pretty jacked in the offseason. Considering the strides he made last year, and with a new coach in place, I hope this is the year where the offensive production can match his physical improvements and we get a great year from him. I'm sure he's a little bigger but it's also his pads. Check out his his elbow pads they're enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Drew a Penalty said: I'm sure he's a little bigger but it's also his pads. Check out his his elbow pads they're enormous. Oh, that could be it. Maybe 'jacked' was too strong of a term, but he definitely looks much bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, CCCP said: Yes, 3-4 years for them to be in their prime. Lundkvist hasn’t played an NHL game yet. By the time he’s seasoned NHLer, Zibby and Panarin are 2-3 years from retirement who will be getting paid over $20M of the cap. i know some are saying “we’ll deal with it then” but we’re not contending for the cup now, we most likely will be serious contenders in then. i feel the same way with Panarin. He’s great now but will he be this great when the team will need him the most to contend 4 years from now we'll be talking about the need to re-sign Panarin. Kreider will be gone. Trouba will likely be gone. Zib will be 32 - and we've just watched a bunch of NHL centers of similar caliber play well into their 30s at the same level they'd historically played at. At any point - it's "we need Panarin/Kreider/Zib/Trouba to carry the kids to their prime" before we worry about what the kids do in their primes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: I'm sure he's a little bigger but it's also his pads. Check out his his elbow pads they're enormous. Trouba's shoulder pads maybe the biggest I've ever seen on a non-goalie. He looks square. Crazy how big the pads are getting which I'm sure contributes to the increase in head injuries. Edited September 23, 2021 by jsrangers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, G1000 said: 4 years from now we'll be talking about the need to re-sign Panarin. Kreider will be gone. Trouba will likely be gone. Zib will be 32 - and we've just watched a bunch of NHL centers of similar caliber play well into their 30s at the same level they'd historically played at. At any point - it's "we need Panarin/Kreider/Zib/Trouba to carry the kids to their prime" before we worry about what the kids do in their primes. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Phil said: Call me crazy, but I'm fine with this. Everyone will shout about Eichel, but that situation feels like it won't end any time soon. Stick with the devil you know. You're not crazy, I don't think people really understand or appreciate how good this guy is. Recency bias over post COVID hangover. There aren't many C's in the league I'd take over him, today. Maybe just Strome. Edited September 23, 2021 by Pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Hopefully he's fine now with an offseason to recover from everything. I'm hoping we see the Zibanejad we saw in 2020 before the shutdowns because that was a top five-ten player in the league right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, Phil said: And that's contingent on you being right that they're still years out. If that's the case, then I'd argue they're not going to win, period, because they shot their shot too soon. I don't think they're even close to four years out. I think they're one year out. I actually think they can do real damage this season. Optimistic of you but i dont see how you can say they’re going to do damage when Laf only played 57 games in the NHL, Kakko just showed promise last year but we’re yet to see what he can do, our D is yet to get some experience and playing time. If they do make the playoffs, they will be out in the first round and that’s okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pete said: You're not crazy, I don't think people really understand or appreciate how good this guy is. Recency bias over post COVID hangover. There aren't many C's in the league I'd take over him, today. “Today”!! Yes but we’re not competing today, we’ll be hopefully in couple of years. The rumor is they might extend him to 8 years at as much as $10M per. Would you want him here in 4-5 years at $10M per? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, Pete said: You're not crazy, I don't think people really understand or appreciate how good this guy is. Recency bias over post COVID hangover. There aren't many C's in the league I'd take over him, today. Maybe just Strome. I joined you on the Strome-Wagon last year and I'm gonna hop on board again this year...I'm waiting for that Ballsy prediction thread! We better save a few bucks to resign him to a sweet deal going forward! Dude's a stud!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Pete said: You're not crazy, I don't think people really understand or appreciate how good this guy is. Recency bias over post COVID hangover. There aren't many C's in the league I'd take over him, today. Maybe just Strome. Right. I mean, we know he can perform here. We've seen it. Multiple years. Including the actual post-Covid hangover when he was, if I recall correctly, the hottest goal-scorer in the entire league down the stretch. I'm paying for reality over promise every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I would sign Mika for 20 yrs at 10M a season if they guarantee we win at least 1 cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, CCCP said: “Today”!! Yes but we’re not competing today, we’ll be hopefully in couple of years. The rumor is they might extend him to 8 years at as much as $10M per. Would you want him here in 4-5 years at $10M per? Nonis gets shit for it (because Clarkson), but he was absolutely right when he told reporters “I’m not worried about [year] six or seven right now. I’m worried about [year] one." Worry about 2028 in 2028, not 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: I would sign Mika for 20 yrs at 10M a season if they guarantee we win at least 1 cup. well, they havent even made the playoffs with Mika as their 1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: I would sign Mika for 20 yrs at 10M a season if they guarantee we win at least 1 cup. Correct, and you want the cup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, CCCP said: “Today”!! Yes but we’re not competing today, we’ll be hopefully in couple of years. The rumor is they might extend him to 8 years at as much as $10M per. Would you want him here in 4-5 years at $10M per? Yes, because we play hockey today. And in four or five years, also yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I don't know why this is that type of devil you know conversation. Mika at 8 years is a 1C in the league for the Rangers. We need a 1C. If we're not paying Mika to be the 1c for 8 years we are going to be paying someone else. Why pay to replace him? I know we're talking about this in the lens of the Eichel conversations, but those were never Mika or Eichel, it was what if we had both of them? That's completely different. Signing this guy long term to a reasonable deal that a normal 1c makes is a great idea, because he's a normal 1c who a little bit more wax and wane than other 1Cs in the league, like a Bergeron type. Maybe he's soft in the playoffs, no idea until we get there. Not a reason to hold a guy's contract when he's most certainly going to make the money anywhere he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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