LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Via Vince's "New Ice City" Podcast - around the 47 minute mark Quote I am not reporting that I believe it's going to get done during camp, but I believe it's something the Rangers are exploring. There is at least a chance that we will hear about a Mika Zibanejad extension in the next few weeks. This is all contingent on Zibanejad bringing his AAV down. I think the Rangers will need to go to 7-8 years to get this done, likely in the 8-9 range, maybe slightly over 9. I have the sense right now that discussions are happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I’m not even entirely sure why but I would love to see him signed fast. center position is this teams weakness (or potential weakness), if they can lock him up it would be a big relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Im not sure i want him around next 7-8 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Call me crazy, but I'm fine with this. Everyone will shout about Eichel, but that situation feels like it won't end any time soon. Stick with the devil you know. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I'd hope they get him for around $8.5 million AAV....8 years would take him to age 37, and I think that's a bit much. I'd like to see them give him 6 years, and if they have to go to $9 million to do that, then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 This one of those contracts the organization starts to regret in 4-5 years, if that. I’d rather get Eichel who can produce at high standard for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 Honestly...what more does Mika need to do to prove himself here? 20th in the NHL in P/GP over the last 3 seasons (and over Point/Game in that period). Only 4 centers have scored more goals than he has in that period (Matthews, Draisaitl, McDavid, Mackinnon). I'd love to see more defensive responsibility from him, but I have to imagine he will be worth the deal for at least 4 of the 7 or 8 seasons he will sign for. Worry about 2026 when we get there - if it's 7 years, 62M...that's going to look just fine against a 90M cap. For now - every player on that list is going to make more than him within the next 18 months if they don't already. Most of the players behind him on that list make more than he will (or in the same range) too (Tavares, Stamkos, Point, Crosby, Brakov). We're good here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Call me crazy, but I'm fine with this. Everyone will shout about Eichel, but that situation feels like it won't end any time soon. Stick with the devil you know. Nah man, I don't think you're crazy for thinking this way. Mika's been sensational for us, and I haven't felt a whole lotta love for Eichel since the beginning of his whole trade debacle. I'm glad to dance with the girl we brought to the party, so to speak! I think we have to keep an eye on those purse strings a bit this season, because we have Fox and Strome who are up after this campaign, and we're gonna need every dollar we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Even as he tails off later in the deal, by that time the young players will be where we anticipate (hopefully) and they'll continue to improve with free agent signings and whatnot. I think he'll still be productive and worth it, in my opinion. The only concern is health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 He doesn’t have to prove anything. He’s old with history of injuries and concussions. A long-term contract will take him to 37. What’s the point of locking him up long term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 We’ll already be in cap trouble and not even a playoff team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, CCCP said: He doesn’t have to prove anything. He’s old with history of injuries and concussions. A long-term contract will take him to 37. What’s the point of locking him up long term? We all know that most of these deals are "pay for the next four, figure out the last 3" We all know that the majority of long term FA contracts - no matter how bad they are - almost never finish on the signing team's active roster We all know that centers get paid more than most other positions We all know that the cap rarely if ever prevents a team from pursuing a legitimate target or retaining their talent. And we all know how LTIR works. It's time for us to just recognize that this is how the business works and stop pretending like paying a very productive player at a position of need less than what he'd make if he went out to the market is somehow problematic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, G1000 said: We all know that most of these deals are "pay for the next four, figure out the last 3" We all know that the majority of long term FA contracts - no matter how bad they are - almost never finish on the signing team's active roster We all know that centers get paid more than most other positions We all know that the cap rarely if ever prevents a team from pursuing a legitimate target or retaining their talent. And we all know how LTIR works. It's time for us to just recognize that this is how the business works and stop pretending like paying a very productive player at a position of need less than what he'd make if he went out to the market is somehow problematic. I dont agree. We’re not contenders. We probably wont be for another 3-4 years. I dont want an old $9-$10M zibby preventing this team from going all the way. Like I said, I rather have Eichel who’s still going to be in his prime in 4-5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, CCCP said: He doesn’t have to prove anything. He’s old with history of injuries and concussions. A long-term contract will take him to 37. What’s the point of locking him up long term? What other options do we have? He is a proven performer here. A buy out down the line may happen but why worry about that now when we are on the cusp of playoffs and entering our window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, CCCP said: I dont agree. We’re not contenders. We probably wont be for another 3-4 years. I dont want an old $9-$10M zibby preventing this team from going all the way. Like I said, I rather have Eichel who’s still going to be in his prime in 4-5 years Eichel might not even be playing hockey by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, jsm7302 said: What other options do we have? He is a proven performer here. A buy out down the line may happen but why worry about that now when we are on the cusp of playoffs and entering our window? What’s the point of locking him up long term? So he can put up points for the next 3-4 years and then become the next brad Richards ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, CCCP said: What’s the point of locking him up long term? So he can put up points for the next 3-4 years and then become the next brad Richards ? That deal looks like a bargain in 3-4 years and teams pay for experience on a playoff run, he certainly would be a good attainable asset if we arent making playoff runs by then. Trade or buy out down the line should not stop us from signing at a good AAV. Deal with issues as they present themselves and right now, he is the right guy for the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, CCCP said: I dont agree. We’re not contenders. We probably wont be for another 3-4 years. I dont want an old $9-$10M zibby preventing this team from going all the way. Like I said, I rather have Eichel who’s still going to be in his prime in 4-5 years What I posted is not a matter of agreement. It's a matter of fact - everything there is unequivocally true. The whole point of my post is that our "opinions" on how these long contracts work are pretty much all wrong when you look at the facts of it. Further, the idea that we'd off a center who has outperformed Eichel, will make less than Eichel, and is currently much healthier than Eichel - plus the assets to acquire Eichel - that would set us back further than any contract Mika would realistically agree to ever could. I wonder what Eichel makes when his contract expires right in the middle of when you think our contention window will open and the cap is 12% or more higher. Are we talking...13 a year? 15? More? At age 29? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, G1000 said: We all know that most of these deals are "pay for the next four, figure out the last 3" We all know that the majority of long term FA contracts - no matter how bad they are - almost never finish on the signing team's active roster We all know that centers get paid more than most other positions We all know that the cap rarely if ever prevents a team from pursuing a legitimate target or retaining their talent. And we all know how LTIR works. It's time for us to just recognize that this is how the business works and stop pretending like paying a very productive player at a position of need less than what he'd make if he went out to the market is somehow problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 minute ago, jsm7302 said: That deal looks like a bargain in 3-4 years and teams pay for experience on a playoff run, he certainly would be a good attainable asset if we arent making playoff runs by then. Trade or buy out down the line should not stop us from signing at a good AAV. Deal with issues as they present themselves and right now, he is the right guy for the job. Who’d want to trade for a 34-35 year old with a $9-$10M cap hit? And buyouts arent free. Signing him to a long crippling deal is just not looking for whats best for the team long term, but rather what’s best for right now. We already have enough long expensive contracts, plus Fox will command around $10M per. No need for an aging center on a long term deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Phil said: Call me crazy, but I'm fine with this. Everyone will shout about Eichel, but that situation feels like it won't end any time soon. Stick with the devil you know. Fuck eichel. I’m good with this too. As long as the money/term isn’t absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, G1000 said: What I posted is not a matter of agreement. It's a matter of fact - everything there is unequivocally true. The whole point of my post is that our "opinions" on how these long contracts work are pretty much all wrong when you look at the facts of it. Further, the idea that we'd off a center who has outperformed Eichel, will make less than Eichel, and is currently much healthier than Eichel - plus the assets to acquire Eichel - that would set us back further than any contract Mika would realistically agree to ever could. I wonder what Eichel makes when his contract expires right in the middle of when you think our contention window will open and the cap is 12% or more higher. Are we talking...13 a year? 15? More? At age 29? You’re speculating on everything here. There’s no guarantee that the cap will go up. Mikka could be a concussion away from hanging them up. Eichel will still be in his prime when our kids are and ready to challenge for the cup. Mika will be ancient. You’re looking at now not then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Said this back in July and it still holds true: given the numbers we now know, it's pretty easy to see a path forward that keeps Zibanejad locked in long-term. Zib "wants" $10M x 7 or 8. Rangers "want" (presumably) $7.5 x 5 or 6. I'd expect a deal to be announced somewhere in the vicinity of $8.5M x 6/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5x5, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, josh said: 5x5, please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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