gdt: 2018 Off-Season Thread: #TradeSzn

[Long live the King]

We need to Find a head coach to determine the direction of NYR and to hold this team more accountable, and make sure that Gorton needs to held accountable. If he screws up this Draft, put his head on the platter

 

The two things aren't related. Gorton flat out said today, the coach isn't necessary for the draft. Especially in our position, where the farm system isn't overflowing with players ready to make the jump, you draft the best players available. Doesn't matter who the coach is, draft the best player possible. And regardless of who we draft, the coach needs to be able to handle and develop young players.

[josh]

Exactly...

 

Dudes about to make Bergeron a never was!

 

I wasn’t a fan of the pick but Lias is about to become the next captain and lead this team to glory!

[Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc]

I don't know if anyone posted this, but I have a quick snapshot of the top 20 picks for 2018 and a little blurb on the player from: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sportsnets-2018-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings-march/

 

 

As we get to the end of various hockey seasons things have come into a sharper focus from a scouting POV. And with some high-end players playing in the Five Nations tournament in Plymouth since we last ranked prospects we have more peer-on-peer performances and data to draw from.

 

One thing that hasn’t changed at all is our top position where Rasmus Dahlin will go wire-to-wire as the top-ranked prospect and will make whichever team that wins the lottery feel a whole lot better about the miserable season that got them there.

 

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin, D, 6-foot-2, 181 pounds (Frolunda, SHL): Erik Karlsson, Victor Hedman and now Dahlin. Are you ready for the next franchise-changing defenceman from Sweden?

 

2. Filip Zadina, RW, 6-foot-1, 196 pounds (Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL): The Mooseheads’ import factory strikes again and sends a high-end sniper to the top of the NHL draft.

 

3. Andrei Svechnikov, RW, 6-foot-2, 186 pounds (Barrie Colts, OHL): Led all scorers at the Five Nations tournament and has put up points at a torrid pace with the Barrie Colts since the world juniors (38 in 22 games).

 

4. Brady Tkachuk, LW, 6-foot-3, 196 pounds (Boston University, NCAA): Better than older brother Matthew?

 

5. Adam Boqvist, D, 5-foot-11, 170 pounds (Almtuna IS, Allsvenskan): A fantastic skater and playmaker who isn’t afraid to shoot. If you don’t end up with Dahlin, getting Boqvist is more than just a consolation prize.

 

6. Noah Dobson, D, 6-foot-3, 180 pounds (Acadie-Bathurst Titan, QMJHL): The secret is out, this righthand shot blueliner is legit.

 

7. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW, 6-foot-1, 205 pounds (USNTDP): Eight points at the Five Nations (tied with tourney leader Svechnikov) and a solid spot on the U.S U18 top line, Wahlstrom continues to produce big in his draft year.

 

8. Evan Bouchard, D, 6-foot-2, 193 pounds (London Knights, OHL): Despite his Knights trading away most of their vets, Bouchard has continued to excel in all areas. February’s defenceman of the month in the OHL is also a natural leader.

 

9. Quinn Hughes, D, 5-foot-10, 174 pounds (U of Michigan, NCAA): One of the most creative players in the draft. An outstanding skater who can create even in the most challenging situations.

 

10. Isac Lundestrom, C, 6-foot, 185 pounds (Lulea, SHL): As one scout told me “he’s the Swedish Patrice Bergeron.” A lofty compliment, but the comparisons are there.

 

11. Barrett Hayton, C, 6-foot-1, 191 pounds (Sault Ste Marie Greyhounds, OHL): Extremely focussed and hard-working, Hayton is the “all-in” guy every team loves to have. Nursing a small injury and the ‘Hounds are being careful with him.

 

12. Joel Farabee, LW, 6-feet, 164 pounds (USNTDP): Hard-working, skilled playmaker who is magical with the puck on his stick.

 

If Wahlstrom is gone before 8th (and we have the 8th pick). Would we pick one of the D-men (Bouchard, Hughes) or would you like to see us trade down some spots and pick Farabee? I dont want a C with the first pick and I just feel like there is enough good D-men later in the 1st so dont want to use our 1st on a D either.

[Ozzy]

I think it would be hard to miss on any of the top 10. They're all looking pretty good shots at being career NHL'ers, and that's rare in a draft. Then again, this draft is actually ranked as one of the best in recent history as per the folks who know it best, so I'm not surprised. Josh said it best; we're all going to second guess what we pick and the results of this draft won't be felt for a couple of years down the pike.

 

I just would think we take the best player available when we get our 3 chances in the first round.

 

I'm actually pretty confident we know what we're doing this year....Lord knows we've had lots of time to plan ahead!!! =)

[Dunny]

Dobson could be a huge asset considering his RH shot.

[Gravesy]

I think it would be hard to miss on any of the top 10. They're all looking pretty good shots at being career NHL'ers, and that's rare in a draft. Then again, this draft is actually ranked as one of the best in recent history as per the folks who know it best, so I'm not surprised. Josh said it best; we're all going to second guess what we pick and the results of this draft won't be felt for a couple of years down the pike.

 

I just would think we take the best player available when we get our 3 chances in the first round.

 

I'm actually pretty confident we know what we're doing this year....Lord knows we've had lots of time to plan ahead!!! =)

 

Yeah. I guess the difference lies in the top 4, who most consider to be NHL ready from day 1.

[Ozzy]

I'm with you, Gravesy! I'm hoping for just getting some good, solid young players that are going to be able to grow into good NHL players. Trying to reach for a star is always the "crap shoot". But yeah man, I'm thinking we're going to do pretty well just being in the top 10.

[SaveByRichter35]

Idk who the hell I would want out of these top guys. Considering the shambles our D is Dahlin is the most likely candidate to fulfill our needs should we get the #1 pick. If we don't, but land in 2 or 3, or just keep our pick...fuck if I know. Do we still take one of the numerous top Dmen, though below Dahlin? Even though we do, or did, score a lot despite not having that bonafide goal scorer do we go for one of those in Tkachuk, Zadina, Svechnikov, or Wahlstrom? Its one of those situations where its a nice problem to have.

[Ozzy]

Idk who the hell I would want out of these top guys. Considering the shambles our D is Dahlin is the most likely candidate to fulfill our needs should we get the #1 pick. If we don't, but land in 2 or 3, or just keep our pick...fuck if I know. Do we still take one of the numerous top Dmen, though below Dahlin? Even though we do, or did, score a lot despite not having that bonafide goal scorer do we go for one of those in Tkachuk, Zadina, Svechnikov, or Wahlstrom? Its one of those situations where its a nice problem to have.

 

If we get any of those guys, I'll probably have a keg party at my house that weekend!

 

Just a side question fellas: What's the deal on Brady Tkachuk?

 

I see all kinds of conflicting shit about him; (he's good, he's a dick, he's an agitator, he's a franchise player)....what's the real deal? I trust you guys more than the ass hats on social shit media.

[Puck Head]

Idk who the hell I would want out of these top guys. Considering the shambles our D is Dahlin is the most likely candidate to fulfill our needs should we get the #1 pick. If we don't, but land in 2 or 3, or just keep our pick...fuck if I know. Do we still take one of the numerous top Dmen, though below Dahlin? Even though we do, or did, score a lot despite not having that bonafide goal scorer do we go for one of those in Tkachuk, Zadina, Svechnikov, or Wahlstrom? Its one of those situations where its a nice problem to have.

 

If we land 2-4, is the almost certainly have to take a forward. That?s the next tier of prospects after Dahlin.

 

Even Dahlin will take a few years to adjust and become a top defenseman. Any other defenseman probably is 2-3 years away from playing in the NHL, and another 2 years from being a big contributor.

 

Im hoping in 4 years our defense doesn?t look like this anyways

 

 

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[Puck Head]

If we get any of those guys, I'll probably have a keg party at my house that weekend!

 

Just a side question fellas: What's the deal on Brady Tkachuk?

 

I see all kinds of conflicting shit about him; (he's good, he's a dick, he's an agitator, he's a franchise player)....what's the real deal? I trust you guys more than the ass hats on social shit media.

 

Tkachuk is about identical to his brother

But a tad larger, stronger, faster, and meaner

 

So we know about exactly why he is by looking at his brother

 

 

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[Ozzy]

Tkachuk is about identical to his brother

But a tad larger, stronger, faster, and meaner

 

So we know about exactly why he is by looking at his brother

 

 

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That works for me! Thanks Puck!! He's be a pretty good score for us then! We sure as hell can use: "larger, stronger, faster, and meaner"

[ThirtyONE]

If we get any of those guys, I'll probably have a keg party at my house that weekend!

 

Just a side question fellas: What's the deal on Brady Tkachuk?

 

I see all kinds of conflicting shit about him; (he's good, he's a dick, he's an agitator, he's a franchise player)....what's the real deal? I trust you guys more than the ass hats on social shit media.

 

Hard to know because I don't think many/any of us watch these guys play regularly but Ray Ferraro said he'd pick him #2 overall if it was his decision. So you have that and then you have people who say he's #5. Personally, I think he's the perfect player to kick start a rebuild here. He could change the culture immediately and bring excitement immediately. He's not a heavy weight by any means but he's a pest and likes to stir shit up while also being fucking good as scoring goals.

 

That said, there's a lot of talent. The chance of us having a shot at him are slim. It'll be interesting to see if Gorton tries to slide up a few spots. He's tried 3 times in the last 3 years, and actually did it last year. I think we could see some movement.

[Gravesy]

I think I’d pick Tkachuk as #2.

Zadina and Svechnikov will almost certainly score more and put up more points than him. Most analysts project him as a 60-70 point player. But as opposed to the others he’s the full package. A proper 200 foot player. Excellent in the defensive zone. Great skater. Smart on the puck. Plays every shift as if his life depends on it. Is a total pest and a nightmare to play against. Like I’ve said several times he adds a level of physical play we’ve been missing for a long time.

[Long live the King]

I think I’d pick Tkachuk as #2.

Zadina and Svechnikov will almost certainly score more and put up more points than him. Most analysts project him as a 60-70 point player. But as opposed to the others he’s the full package. A proper 200 foot player. Excellent in the defensive zone. Great skater. Smart on the puck. Plays every shift as if his life depends on it. Is a total pest and a nightmare to play against. Like I’ve said several times he adds a level of physical play we’ve been missing for a long time.

 

We've also been missing a 40 goal scorer...

[ThirtyONE]

I think I’d pick Tkachuk as #2.

Zadina and Svechnikov will almost certainly score more and put up more points than him. Most analysts project him as a 60-70 point player. But as opposed to the others he’s the full package. A proper 200 foot player. Excellent in the defensive zone. Great skater. Smart on the puck. Plays every shift as if his life depends on it. Is a total pest and a nightmare to play against. Like I’ve said several times he adds a level of physical play we’ve been missing for a long time.

 

But this is my question that I've been asking myself, because I am high on Tkachuk, do we want a 60 pt player? Or do we want Patrick Laine (if we're lucky enough to move into the top 3)? One seems easier to find than the other. This team has never drafted a sniper/star since I can remember. Someone who's a game changer. I don't know if that's what Tkachuk is while Zadina and Svechnikov are.

 

The team sucks because our highest point scoring player has 53 points. That absolutely has to change and I'm not sure if Tkachuk does that.

[josh]

I think I’d pick Tkachuk as #2.

Zadina and Svechnikov will almost certainly score more and put up more points than him. Most analysts project him as a 60-70 point player. But as opposed to the others he’s the full package. A proper 200 foot player. Excellent in the defensive zone. Great skater. Smart on the puck. Plays every shift as if his life depends on it. Is a total pest and a nightmare to play against. Like I’ve said several times he adds a level of physical play we’ve been missing for a long time.

 

Reminds me of the Jordan Staal pick.

Almost everything about it.

[Pete]

But this is my question that I've been asking myself, because I am high on Tkachuk, do we want a 60 pt player? Or do we want Patrick Laine (if we're lucky enough to move into the top 3)? One seems easier to find than the other. This team has never drafted a sniper/star since I can remember. Someone who's a game changer. I don't know if that's what Tkachuk is while Zadina and Svechnikov are.

 

The team sucks because our highest point scoring player has 53 points. That absolutely has to change and I'm not sure if Tkachuk does that.

Bingo. Stepan was a 55 point player who played a 200ft game. You can get that in R2

[siddious]

surprised we havent heard more from the organization today.. wasnt it break-up day? (is that what they call it? doesnt sound right)

[Long live the King]

surprised we havent heard more from the organization today.. wasnt it break-up day? (is that what they call it? doesnt sound right)

The Ranger website has interviews from a bunch of the players following their team exit interview

 

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[Drew a Penalty]

But this is my question that I've been asking myself, because I am high on Tkachuk, do we want a 60 pt player? Or do we want Patrick Laine (if we're lucky enough to move into the top 3)? One seems easier to find than the other. This team has never drafted a sniper/star since I can remember. Someone who's a game changer. I don't know if that's what Tkachuk is while Zadina and Svechnikov are.

 

The team sucks because our highest point scoring player has 53 points. That absolutely has to change and I'm not sure if Tkachuk does that.

 

I tend to agree with this and I'll throw Wahlstrom's name in there too. There are three very capable goal scorers between Svechnikov, Zadina and Wahlstrom. The Rangers shouldn't pass up on a type of player they've struggled so much to develop over the years.

[Scott]

Skjei - Pionk

Staal - Shattenkirk

Smith - DeAngelo

Lindgren

 

Isn’t as bad as people think, if guys play well, progress, bounce back, whatever you want to call it, especially when potentially looking at using a new system.

 

There’s not a top d available, those that are won’t change much.

 

Fixing 1 & 2 will help make this defense crew less of an issue

 

I would respectfully disagree there's not enough turd polish to do anything meaningful with that D group. That first pair is likely third pair on a true cup contender. I don't blame everything on AV, Skjei stunk and Pionk who knows he's only played in garbage time. True talent would shine through once the guys are on the ice and they showed very little. The defense will kill this team and the any goalie unlucky enough to get the call. O'Gara and Gilmour have no business even being in the mix imo.

[Gravesy]

But this is my question that I've been asking myself, because I am high on Tkachuk, do we want a 60 pt player? Or do we want Patrick Laine (if we're lucky enough to move into the top 3)? One seems easier to find than the other. This team has never drafted a sniper/star since I can remember. Someone who's a game changer. I don't know if that's what Tkachuk is while Zadina and Svechnikov are.

 

The team sucks because our highest point scoring player has 53 points. That absolutely has to change and I'm not sure if Tkachuk does that.

 

Yes, but the team also sucks because it gets completely dominated physically and doesn't have a player that can grab a game by the scruff of its neck. I don't think a player like Tkachuk is that easy to find either. He's complete. He's every bit as much a great player in all 3 zones - defensively and offensively - as he is a pest, horrible to play against and a guy that leads from the front.

 

You can get that in R2

 

No. You can get a 200 ft player in R2. There's a reason why Tkachuk has been consistently top 4 in an incredibly deep draft in most analysts projections for a year. It's because he is a vastly superior 200ft player to everybody else in the draft, and so good that he projected higher than loads of incredibly talented specialists.

 

Look, I can see the argument of going for Zadina or Svechnikov if we're lucky enough to get in position. I just feel like Tkachuk is someone that can make an incredible impact on this organization.

[Pete]

Yes, but the team also sucks because it gets completely dominated physically and doesn't have a player that can grab a game by the scruff of its neck. I don't think a player like Tkachuk is that easy to find either. He's complete. He's every bit as much a great player in all 3 zones - defensively and offensively - as he is a pest, horrible to play against and a guy that leads from the front.

 

 

 

No. You can get a 200 ft player in R2. There's a reason why Tkachuk has been consistently top 4 in an incredibly deep draft in most analysts projections for a year. It's because he is a vastly superior 200ft player to everybody else in the draft, and so good that he projected higher than loads of incredibly talented specialists.

 

Look, I can see the argument of going for Zadina or Svechnikov if we're lucky enough to get in position. I just feel like Tkachuk is someone that can make an incredible impact on this organization.

I haven't followed the draft prospects this year...but if the 60 point ceiling is being thrown around I can't understand using a top 4 pick there when there are legitimate game breaking goal scorers there.

 

We haven't had a pure goal generator on the team since Gaborik was good.

[Gravesy]

I haven't followed the draft prospects this year...but if the 60 point ceiling is being thrown around I can't understand using a top 4 pick there when there are legitimate game breaking goal scorers there.

 

We haven't had a pure goal generator on the team since Gaborik was good.

 

60-70 points. And it's because most analysts appear to agree he's a special player with a fairly unique skillset. A complete 200 ft player who delivers around the 70 point mark and adds grit, energy and a great physical presence doesn't exactly grow on trees. In that points bracket this season you find guys like Brayden Schenn for example.

 

Like I said though, I can definitely see the argument for going after Zadina or Svechnikov should the opportunity be there.