H-Dreamer Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Coupled with Jon declining to take the stark name, it shows him aligning with a Targaryen, supporting the idea that he's not Ned Stark's bastard, but Lyanna's. It was hugely necessary lol It's dramatic effect, yea, but it is also heavy foreshadowing. Is it though? If you had not heard the L+R=J Theories, would you even notice this? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yeah, I'm still not convinced of Tyrion being a Targaryen. Jon might be, based on L+R=J, but Tyrion seems a massive stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wait what? When was there ever a doubt that Tyrion is a Lannister? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 People think he's the "third dragon". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wait what? When was there ever a doubt that Tyrion is a Lannister? http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/its-raining-in-castamere#.nf4wQGZRdz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm still not 100% sold on the theory, but I can say with the upmost reverence that seeing Tyrion ride a fuckin' dragon would be nothing short of amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hm, never heard it before but imo it would be kinda lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Is it though? If you had not heard the L+R=J Theories, would you even notice this? ;) Hmm good question. I think it would standout that Aemon chose Jon, regardless. There would have to be some reason for that, no matter what the theories are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I'm still not 100% sold on the theory, but I can say with the upmost reverence that seeing Tyrion ride a fuckin' dragon would be nothing short of amazing. I just think there are too many details for Tyrion not to be Targaryen. Why would all of -Super blonde hair and multi-colored eyes, including one dark, like Dany. -"You're no son of mine" and "I can't prove you aren't mine" -Aerys "took liberties" at the bedding ceremony -Tyrion dreams about dragons -Joanna died during childbirth, hence he's "Born of Blood" to be a head of the dragon I think it just makes a lot of sense for Jon and Tyrion to be not only bastards, but raised with the wrong name the whole tame and, eventually, have some rulership over Westeros. Dany's whole "breaking the wheel" quest becomes a whole lot more impactful if lineages are brought into question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 It could be one giant red herring. I understand there's definitely some merit to it. Just as there is to L+R=J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I remember Martin being quoted that the third head of the Dragon doesn't necessarily have to be a Targaryen, could be a distraction of course. And Aemon was shown fond of Jon before, propably was in league with Mormont in grooming Jon to be the next Commander. Don't think anyone would think too much about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I remember Martin being quoted that the third head of the Dragon doesn't necessarily have to be a Targaryen, could be a distraction of course. And Aemon was shown fond of Jon before, propably was in league with Mormont in grooming Jon to be the next Commander. Don't think anyone would think too much about it. He's also said that some fan theories are correct “So what do I do then? Do I change it?” the author pondered. “I wrestled with that issue, and I came to the conclusion that changing it would be a disaster, because the clues were there. You can’t do that, so I’m just going to go ahead. Some of my readers who don’t read the boards, which thankfully there are hundreds of thousands of them, will still be surprised and other readers will say: ‘see, I said that four years ago, I’m smarter than you guys.'” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 So what IS Littlefinger planning, I have no more clue than after reading the books. lol What's in for him, with this strange Alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 I haven't the faintest clue either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Wide Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 He becomes Lord of the Vale, has Ramsay Bolton killed, marries Sansa, becomes Warden of the north. Kidding. But I don't think this marriage will be permanent. I just can't put my finger on his plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 If it even goes trough, Sansa is still married and weedings tend to be bloody in Westeros, even if no one died this time in KL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 On a side note, I expected the "High Sparrow" to be much younger, due to him being some kind of religious fanatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 He becomes Lord of the Vale, has Ramsay Bolton killed, marries Sansa, becomes Warden of the north. Kidding. But I don't think this marriage will be permanent. I just can't put my finger on his plans. I think that's pretty much his plan. Whether it will work or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 Dave brought up in the official thread that the show and books really seem to be divorcing big time this season. I agree, but is anyone else actually more interested in the path the show has taken than the ones the books are currently in? I'm loving the fact they've completely skipped over Young Griff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Not sure, yet. Gotta see how it plays out. Hope they didn't kill off Ser Barristan though, minor character he may be, but killing him off seems kinda pointless. I like how they give Tommen more character, poor boy, wouldn't want to be in his place. Changing Cerseis plot from being against Margaery directly to go through Loras seems interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, I guess if anything the wedding night will make the turn back from Reek to Theon more believable than fake Arya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Wide Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Does anyone else think that they added the conversation between Jorah and Tyrion about Jeor's death, and the subsequent conversation about going home to Westeros via Dany, to replicate Jon Connington's feelings in the ADWD? I think it is becoming clearer that they are steering away from Aegon in the show. It's nothing major, but I picked up the sentiment, and remembered Jon Connington's inner thoughts about getting Aegon to Westeros and to the Stormlands before he dies from greyscale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 At least it seems that Jorah gets to be Connington too in this version. I don't remember his inner thoughts too well though and kinda lack the motivation to re-read ADWD :D Still wondering about the omission of that arc, maybe it's a hint that "Aegon" is in fact a Blackfyre as many people are speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 As H-D said, Jorah is Connington in the show, IMO. And that probably also means our friend Tyrion maybe isn't the Lannister we thought he was. Also, am I the only one who is really happy that they've dropped a lot of the convoluted stories like Mance's rescue attempt, and the whole Jeyne Pool fake Arya shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Well overall, so far I am happyabout: No Ironborn, seriously that Storyline added nothing and was boring as hell. For some reason everyone and their uncle seems to be mostly unhappy about them missing. I really don't get it. Instead people love to complain about Dorne and Arya being shown, which is kinda ridiculous. You can't drop Arya after how important she was before and not every small arc has to contribute to the overall plot immediatly. And Dorne while a bit meh and 90s Xena style, isn't in the series enough to bother me. I also like Sansa not sitting on her ass on the Eyrie, though as said in the other thread I reserve judgement on her Storyline this season until I've seen the end of it. I am not too fond of her being surrounded by enemies again, but let's see if she has to be saved again or can use her ressources (Brienne, Theon) to save herself this time. Sansa on the move also gives Brienne a motivation and reason to hang around. I'd have no problem with Mance being dead either (if he truly is), him being still alive always felt like GRRM saying "see I don't kill everyone" to me. Don't care about fake Arya missing, it made sense in the books, but would just introduce another unnecessary character to the show, as Jeyne was never shown before. And the Sandsnakes are bland enough so far to cover that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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