Phil Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If there's anything Game of Thrones has shown us, it's that you can kill anyone. I, for one, would gladly watch a show where Saul and Quinn are the focus, without the baby-mama-drama. Not really. I don't want to get into spoiler territory, but GOT also has two balancing Protagonists. I just can't reveal who they actually are (for the sake of spoilers), becuase the way the story has been told to this point in the books, the development of them simply took longer. The characters killed to this point weren't actually protagonists, but more like very strong supporting leads who lost their required nature as the story itself developed. In order to kill Carrie, the same thing would have to occur. You have to balance the actual protagonist of the show by building up a suitable replacement — someone people can rally behind when Carrie takes her last breath. It's not as easy as you think. Not in this genre, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Not really. I don't want to get into spoiler territory, but GOT also has two balancing Protagonists. I just can't reveal who they actually are (for the sake of spoilers), becuase the way the story has been told to this point in the books, the development of them simply took longer. The characters killed to this point weren't actually protagonists, but more like very strong supporting leads who lost their required nature as the story itself developed. In order to kill Carrie, the same thing would have to occur. You have to balance the actual protagonist of the show by building up a suitable replacement — someone people can rally behind when Carrie takes her last breath. It's not as easy as you think. Not in this genre, at least. Right. But I think this group of writers can do it. They managed to completely un-do the stupidity of Carrie having Brodie's kid in 47 minutes. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Right. But I think this group of writers can do it. They managed to completely un-do the stupidity of Carrie having Brodie's kid in 47 minutes. :rofl: It's kind of hilarious the way they wrote that out of the show. I mean, if it were me, I'd just have had her get an abortion. It's clear that her kid really is of no consequence at all to her career. She's basically walked away from the idea of parenthood, figuratively and literally, that it's not even on the back-burner anymore. It's non-existent. I'm not against the idea of killing Carrie, for the record. I just know it can effectively kill the show, because it's actually more shocking than killing Brodie or any other recurring character. She's the POV, love her or hate her, so in offing her you have to have a firm footing with who the show will fall back on. As far as I'm concerned, the only character (right now) who is capable of shouldering that load is Saul. Quinn is a dark horse, but would require a fuck ton more growth before they could pull that off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 "I love you, Carrie" I cracked up when I heard that. I bet everyone in that room was thinking to themselves "oh god what is wrong with this woman?" Kid getting shot by his uncle was some twist. I'm not sure if I was surprised or not that she was willing to kill Saul with the drone strike after it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I cracked up when the kid got shot. Immediately thought to myself "HA HA! I bet Pete and Dave are pissed that wasn't Carrie". Personally, I'm A-OK with him dying. He was rather annoying. Too meek to last long in this world, in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Agreed, he was a little baby bitch if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Homeland, which was picked up for a 12-episode fifth season, has been averaging 6 million weekly viewers, while The Affair?which will return with a 10-episode sophomore run?draws 3.9 million weekly viewers. ?In its fourth season, Homeland has brilliantly reinvented itself,? Showtime President David Nevins says. ?It continues to capture the attention of a devoted fan base, and has provided an enviable platform for the successful launch of The Affair. With thought-provoking, relevant and addictive storylines, both series have been embraced, dissected and much debated week after week. We?re excited to see more from these complex shows in 2015.? http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/10/showtime-renews-homeland-affair/?hootPostID=86dfae6748aeabfdbada009cb4114920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Uh....so this got crazypants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I was so mad at Carrie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Two more chances for Carrie to die just wasted. Fuck Quinn and fuck Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 LOL. She's not dying. Quinn might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 So that was easily the worst episode of the entire series. I kept waiting for something interesting to happen. But nothing did. I will say my friends and I did get a few minutes of enjoyment making fun of that hideous ginger hell spawn they cast as the daughter. Utter garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Yeah, wasn't feeling it. I saw that twist coming a mile away, too, with Quinn. I was really hoping that we'd get something a lot better regarding Dar Adal and Pakistan. Something more than just... that. And holy fuck, her daughter is ugly as sin! My wife was in tears laughing last night because when the first scene with her happened, my gut reaction was (out loud) "ew, ugly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 I was not sure if the daughter was maybe a down syndrome baby... watch your tongues gentlemen. But I'd agree, after the last couple of episodes this was all about nothing but there has to be some down time. It has always been suggested to me by a pal that he wonders where Saul's real allegiance lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I was not sure if the daughter was made a down syndrome baby... watch your tongues gentlemen. But I'd agree, after the last couple of episodes this was all about nothing but there has to be some down time. It has always been suggested to me by a pal that he wonders where Saul's real allegiance lies... She certainly looks it. My wife said the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High and Wide Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Very dull season finale. I guess we should have expected that considering the past few episodes were pretty exciting. The whole episode felt contrived at the last minute. It just also feels like the same recipe — Carrie gets betrayed yet again by Saul, Quinn goes back, Carrie feels the world is collapsing again. I would have liked for the episode to end revealing something, some little detail to hang onto. Perhaps Carrie going into Lockhart's office with the door closing, just something. The one thing that I got out of this episode, is that Dar Adal will be bigger. Nothing in his personality says that he met with Haqqani out of his friendship with Saul. Obviously he obtained a promise for Haqqani over territory as well. But there has to be something more there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 It was a midseason episode. Good on its own, failed as a finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Idk even if it were a midseason episode it would have still sucked. That one would have been under the "filler" category. Agreed it was an absulute bust of a finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Homeland is taking on some major geo-political players in season 5. Despite pulling out of the Middle East and relocating to Germany for the upcoming season, Showtime?s espionage thriller will take on Russian president Vladimir Putin and Muslim extremist group ISIS, said Showtime president David Nevins. ?The first episode?s going to real deal with Russia, being right next to Russia ? what?s Putin up to? What?s going on with this tricky relationship there?? Nevins told reporters at the Television Critics Association?s press tour on Tuesday. ?It deals with ISIS. [Homeland producers have] shown the ability to have a new fresh story. I feel like this story is a very fresh story. It?s themes, I think, will resonate with people. Charlie Hebdo. [NSA leaker Edward] Snowden. It?s interesting elements to this season that brings a lot of things together. As long as they keep it fresh, it?s a show that?s never the same season after season.? Says Nevins: ?Berlin is a crossroads. It?s a crossroads between the old eastern block and the western block. It?s a crossroads between Western Europe and the Muslim world. It?s also a place with the strictest privacy laws in the world. This season explores all those themes and how they all come together.? Previously Homeland showrunner Alex Gansa suggested that ISIS might simply be ?too evil? to successfully dramatize in a television show. Nevins, however, said the show will go there. ?It?s going to touch [iSIS],? he said. ?It?s going to touch all those things. It?s a show that reflects the world that we live in. We?ll see. I feel very confident with what their doing.? And the Putin storyline? ?What?s going on with Ukraine ? that?s one of the subjects,? the executive said. http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/11/homeland-isis-putin?hootPostID=19b30efdb1d550023910bbb6aae780ca -- Effin' A, Cotton. Effin' A! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Felt like the first episode was a little confusing, but through two I'm officially hooked into this season again. "M A T H I S O _ " ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Felt like the first episode was a little confusing, but through two I'm officially hooked into this season again. "M A T H I S O _ " ... As soon as Saul said he was going to put a name in the box and Quinn would take them out I knew Carrie was going to be the next name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 As soon as Saul said he was going to put a name in the box and Quinn would take them out I knew Carrie was going to be the next name. Yeah, heavy foreshadowing. Clearly this won't happen, so I'm really interested in how she survives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'll be honest, I lost a lot of interest in this season. I just felt like Allison was such a weak low-lying villian. If you're going to go with that plot, go full 24 and go with your Tony Almeida. That would have meant Quinn, not Allison. Still, the whole Quinn storyline is heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 This season has been sick so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphinity 2.0 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Is it possible for me to have missed, say, the last two seasons and still understand what's going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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