Sod16 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The rest of the league sees this too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, Sod16 said: The rest of the league sees this too. That's what I'm afraid of. What was evident but overshadowed by his offense last year, is now front and center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delneggs Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, The Dude said: They don't? What age do they hit their strides? I thought it was 24 or their 4th year. He should be in his stride. He's playing terrible. But ok. We agree to disagree. Disagree. It takes longer than that for young D to hit their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, delneggs said: Disagree. It takes longer than that for young D to hit their potential. Not longer than 4. . Do we have to wait till he's 27? When is enough enough? He's getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 I think I’d try to move Miller in a deal for Chychrun right now. That would have an immediate and hugely positive impact defensively. Then rent a C. They’ll have to find another way in the summer to get a top 6 forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: I think I’d try to move Miller in a deal for Chychrun right now. That would have an immediate and hugely positive impact defensively. Then rent a C. They’ll have to find another way in the summer to get a top 6 forward. Nah. Plenty of mediocre D men available in FA this summer. Your favorite Brady Skjei will be out there. Brandon Montour, Zadorov, Pesce and others. I've never been into Chychrun anyway. Get a C now. Worry about D later. Not much in FA for Cs fir the Rangers price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, The Dude said: Nah. Plenty of mediocre D men available in FA this summer. Your favorite Brady Skjei will be out there. Brandon Montour, Zadorov, Pesce and others. I've never been into Chychrun anyway. Get a C now. Worry about D later. Not much in FA for Cs fir the Rangers price range. You won’t have to worry about the D if you bag it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) I’m not reading through this thread but to the idea of moving Miller: Edited January 28 by siddious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, leetchy2 said: So points is your only gauge for evaluating a defenseman? Mattius can actually play defense and keep the puck out if the net, and is physically tough to play against. I say this as Miller just gave the puck away to Ottawa leading to a breakaway goal against. That's not worth what they're paying him, and it's also not worth Miller straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delneggs Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 hours ago, The Dude said: Not longer than 4. . Do we have to wait till he's 27? When is enough enough? He's getting worse. Disagree again. It's no where near enough is enough with him in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 If you move Miller right now it has to be for a young or early prime 3C who you're going to have for a few seasons and a reasonable chance to re-up. There are very few of these guys even potentially available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 No goals in last 21. Turnstiled every game. Weakest link on starting D. Yeah. If there's a RW or a center out there that is of the top 6 variety with term, they totally have to offer up Miller as their biggest trade chip. Let's re-spark that Zegras talk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Let’s just remember the last time we moved a Miller 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 4 hours ago, The Dude said: No goals in last 21. Turnstiled every game. Weakest link on starting D. Yeah. If there's a RW or a center out there that is of the top 6 variety with term, they totally have to offer up Miller as their biggest trade chip. Let's re-spark that Zegras talk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 That’s not a contradictory thing to say because not everyone agrees about the level of Miller’s play or value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 It's going to be really hard to find a RW or C that is an upgrade on what the Rangers have without making a real hockey trade where we give up current value for current value. Miller is probably the Ranger's most valuable non-core asset at this point. He's very likely to go in any real trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 hours ago, Vodka Drunkenski said: Let’s just remember the last time we moved a Miller We made the conference finals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kick save and a beauty Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Daneyko loves Miller. Maybe he has enough pull with the Devils to get them to do Miller for Hughes (either one) straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog99 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 lets try miller at rw...at least in the bottom 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Eh. He'll figure it out. Too talented not to. K'Andre Miller is a unicorn in NHL terms. He's a 6'5 D who can skate like the wind and has the radius to cover over half the D zone on his own if he gets the positioning right. Patience with this one. He's shown flashes of his ceiling before and he'll get back to a consistent high level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, LindG1000 said: Eh. He'll figure it out. Too talented not to. K'Andre Miller is a unicorn in NHL terms. He's a 6'5 D who can skate like the wind and has the radius to cover over half the D zone on his own if he gets the positioning right. Patience with this one. He's shown flashes of his ceiling before and he'll get back to a consistent high level. Lets also not forget he did take a few days for a mental health break, maybe their is shit going on that we don't know about that has affected his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Albatrosss said: We made the conference finals? 4 years later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: That’s not a contradictory thing to say because not everyone agrees about the level of Miller’s play or value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, LindG1000 said: Eh. He'll figure it out. Too talented not to. K'Andre Miller is a unicorn in NHL terms. He's a 6'5 D who can skate like the wind and has the radius to cover over half the D zone on his own if he gets the positioning right. Patience with this one. He's shown flashes of his ceiling before and he'll get back to a consistent high level. Yup. Bottom line- they always knew he was going to be a project if sorts that would need time and reps. Bigger framed guys often need more time. Look at Chára. Look at Pronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 17 Author Share Posted February 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: Yup. Bottom line- they always knew he was going to be a project if sorts that would need time and reps. Bigger framed guys often need more time. Look at Chára. Look at Pronger. Miller plays nor is projected to play anything like those names. They were physical beasts that could contribute offensively. Miller is a big guy with great skating, but has zero killer instinct. Not physical at all. He's poor defensively. This conversation has been had many times. Defensive instinct can't be taught. He's going to be one dimensional. That's it. That's fine. He'll be a consistent 35-40-50 point "D man" It's not a shot. There are many one dimensional D-men in this league. He is what he is. He's not going to learn defensive awareness or decision making at age 25 or 26. . Lets stop that charade. I am in the camp that he has value as that type of player. Yet, it's not a value that the Rangers necessarily need with Adam Fox here as the staple for offensive D men. It's kind of a luxury if you can look past the defensive warts. He's not on ANY PP units consistently (I think he's been getting sniff on PP 2 only recently) So, he's not really looked at (here) as a go to for offense. If that's the case, how is he really any kind of piece that must be held on to? Next year he'll get left over PP scraps.. Its not any kind of difference maker. I sell on a one dimensional 2nd tier offensive D man. Especially since the other trade chips are Othmann, Perreault and Schneider whom I value way more than Miller. On another team, Miller could be a 2nd tier, 1st pairing one dimensional D man. Thats the perceived value. That means more to a team that doesn't have an Adam Fox. I'd rather pay Gustafsson for 2 more years at 2.5- 3 and get the same results and use the asset for the bigger need. 3 C and an actual RW is more important to me than a one dimensional offensive D man that can't get PP time and isn't currently providing offense. I'll add though... He hasn't scored a goal in 21 games, yet he DOES have 7 goals on the year. He was quietly contributing as per usual earlier (kinda). He's certainly not concentrating on his defensive game, so I don't know what his issues have been. I just think he's an extremely expendable talent that can be traded without major regret. Besides Buchnevich, I can't think of any young player the Rangers should have major regret of moving. Maybe Skjei, but it didn't crush the organization. Nor will trading Miller. Get a C and or a RW for Miller while you can. Edited February 17 by The Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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