The Dude Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Why would I be upset? You think I'd want to stoop all the way down to your level? I'm good thanks. Yet here you are, trying to, every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Pete said: Yet here you are, trying to, every day. We better slow down. People might think we're being serious "yeah none of your posts can be taken seriously" Edited January 25 by BrooksBurner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog99 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) If we really do have a core that just doesn't play North-South well...instead of continuously trying bang that round peg into the square hole...use a system that caters to that maybe we lose, but at least we don't look as miserable doing it. probably more fun to watch as a fan Edited January 26 by Jdog99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Jdog99 said: If we really do have a core that just doesn't play North-South well...instead of continuously trying bang that round peg into the square hole...use a system that caters to that maybe we lose, but at least we don't look as miserable doing it. probably more fun to watch as a fan You're describing GG hockey. It was fun, until you lose. The problem isn't specifically N/S vs E/W, but it's more that this team will take what you give them, but if you give them nothing, they won't take it. They won't exert their will on the game. They won't get to the middle. The biggest guys on the team play the smallest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, Jdog99 said: If we really do have a core that just doesn't play North-South well...instead of continuously trying bang that round peg into the square hole...use a system that caters to that maybe we lose, but at least we don't look as miserable doing it. probably more fun to watch as a fan There's no good east-west system. When you run into a north-south team with some speed they are going to be odd-man rushing way too often. And, hey, what is the Rangers big problem right now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Sky is falling is pretty fitting for what happened with Chytil today. Not trying to hijack and move that convo here but Drury really needs to address these issues. Standing pat with this center depth is ridiculous. This could be a huge year for this squad if the GM can put together some damn help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 20 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: Sky is falling is pretty fitting for what happened with Chytil today. Not trying to hijack and move that convo here but Drury really needs to address these issues. Standing pat with this center depth is ridiculous. This could be a huge year for this squad if the GM can put together some damn help! They needed to be sure about FC before doing anything. If he was healthy enough to play, they couldn't have kept them on LTIR. What happened today pretty much solidified that he won't be coming back, at least during the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 Not that I think he's a problem at all. But how long until this gets dumped onto Laviolette? I mean, it's the pattern of this team and it's GM. "We just felt he lost the room and the players weren't connecting with his old school methods of coaching. I'd like to introduce Craig Berube as our new coach. We saw how he took a dogshit team from worst to first a few years ago to win a cup. We want to do that. We like that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, The Dude said: Not that I think he's a problem at all. But how long until this gets dumped onto Laviolette? I mean, it's the pattern of this team and it's GM. "We just felt he lost the room and the players weren't connecting with his old school methods of coaching. I'd like to introduce Craig Berube as our new coach. We saw how he took a dogshit team from worst to first a few years ago to win a cup. We want to do that. We like that." I don't think even Drury is that dumb. Whether he actually believed it was the coach or not last year, he hired the most winning US born coach in NHL history. He can't sell a coaching problem this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 The sky has fallen. It's looking very very foggy. Boom goes the dynamite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 10 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: I don't think even Drury is that dumb. Whether he actually believed it was the coach or not last year, he hired the most winning US born coach in NHL history. He can't sell a coaching problem this time. He didn't need to sell a coaching problem last time, it was apparent to everybody. Again, two things can be true at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Pete said: He didn't need to sell a coaching problem last time, it was apparent to everybody. Again, two things can be true at once. He hard sold the coaching problem as the only problem. The coach and only the coach got removed. Everything else remained the same. Bad strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: He hard sold the coaching problem as the only problem. The coach and only the coach got removed. Everything else remained the same. Bad strat. Do you have any direct quotes where he solely blamed the coach? Because the media pretty much blamed everybody. Goalie and the players. And then a lot of us said it was impossible to judge the roster until they got a real coach. This is the phase we're at right now. Edited January 27 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Do you have any direct quotes where he solely blamed the coach? Because the media pretty much blamed everybody. Goalie and the players. And then a lot of us said it was impossible to judge the roster until they got a real coach. This is the phase we're at right now. The coach was the only one to get shitcanned. What more proof do you need? Never agreed with the rest. Still don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: The coach was the only one to get shitcanned. What more proof do you need? Never agreed with the rest. Still don’t. Okay so you don't have any evidence that he solely blaming the coach? And you're just guessing that he did because he didn't trade a bunch of guys with clauses? And if you listen to anything that came out after he was fired and still think GG held zero responsibility and is a good coach, then I don't know what to tell you. The beat reporters all set it, and you're choosing not to believe what they're saying because it doesn't align with your narrative. That doesn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: He hard sold the coaching problem as the only problem. The coach and only the coach got removed. Everything else remained the same. Bad strat. It's not just that. He crystallized the problem by signing a bunch of over 30 vets who would likely have minor but necessary roles in the structure. None of these guys was likely to be the leader the Rangers need but they take up enough space in the structure that it is hard to bring in the right guy now. Drury is on the clock at this point. He needs to figure this out and the duality of the choice is going to make it unpopular if he chooses to reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Br4d said: It's not just that. He crystallized the problem by signing a bunch of over 30 vets who would likely have minor but necessary roles in the structure. None of these guys was likely to be the leader the Rangers need but they take up enough space in the structure that it is hard to bring in the right guy now. Drury is on the clock at this point. He needs to figure this out and the duality of the choice is going to make it unpopular if he chooses to reset. He did what he had to do with the cap space he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Okay so you don't have any evidence that he solely blaming the coach? And you're just guessing that he did because he didn't trade a bunch of guys with clauses? And if you listen to anything that came out after he was fired and still think GG held zero responsibility and is a good coach, then I don't know what to tell you. The beat reporters all set it, and you're choosing not to believe what they're saying because it doesn't align with your narrative. That doesn't make any sense. Canning the coach and only the coach is the evidence. Actions speak much louder than words. What followed that was borderline propaganda. All that stuff and talk insinuating a veteran NHL coach doesn’t have a system nor know about structure. An NHL guy with 40 years of coaching + playing experience doesn’t have that? It was always over the top ridiculousness, and the insane hyperbole is why it wasn’t believable. No. Too many of the players didn’t give a shit to buy in to a team game, and they still don’t. It was evident then as it is now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 8 minutes ago, Br4d said: It's not just that. He crystallized the problem by signing a bunch of over 30 vets who would likely have minor but necessary roles in the structure. None of these guys was likely to be the leader the Rangers need but they take up enough space in the structure that it is hard to bring in the right guy now. Drury is on the clock at this point. He needs to figure this out and the duality of the choice is going to make it unpopular if he chooses to reset. Meh. What was he supposed to do? He didn't move any pieces to alleviate cap space. His off season adds were fine. His offseason lack of moving anyone out is the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Canning the coach and only the coach is the evidence. Actions speak much louder than words. What followed that was borderline propaganda. All that stuff and talk insinuating a veteran NHL coach doesn’t have a system nor know about structure. An NHL guy with 40 years of coaching + playing experience doesn’t have that? It was always over the top ridiculousness, and the insane hyperbole is why it wasn’t believable. No. Too many of the players didn’t give a shit to buy in to a team game, and they still don’t. It was evident then as it is now. You're right. It was all propaganda. Not an ounce of truth to it. Hockey reporters just stopped reporting facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Canning the coach and only the coach is the evidence. Actions speak much louder than words. What followed that was borderline propaganda. All that stuff and talk insinuating a veteran NHL coach doesn’t have a system nor know about structure. An NHL guy with 40 years of coaching + playing experience doesn’t have that? It was always over the top ridiculousness, and the insane hyperbole is why it wasn’t believable. No. Too many of the players didn’t give a shit to buy in to a team game, and they still don’t. It was evident then as it is now. I'm really starting to believe this. I had given some players too much credit. I'm seeing similar body language to that if late last season from some guys. I give massive credit to Panarin, Trocheck, Lafrenière , Schneider and Trouba for being guys that give constant effort. Lindgren and Fox get a pass too. Everyone else is going through the motions. Sometimes not even that. My tin foil hat has me thinking Drury butts in on coaching decisions and the players won't respect a coach that is taking orders from above. Why else would a coach and GM have a shouting match in between periods? Why else would players supposedly say (its not on record anywhere but...) they just want to be coached? Maybe that's them saying "let the coach... coach"? The frustration on Laviolettes's face is that of a man that regrets taking the job now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BrooksBurner Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, Pete said: You're right. It was all propaganda. Not an ounce of truth to it. Hockey reporters just stopped reporting facts. The beat reporters report what the org is saying and doing, sometimes intermingled with their own opinion. It’s “fact” in that it’s a fact this is what the org is doing. It’s not “fact” in that the org is right. This org is very rarely right. That’s why they only have 1 Cup banner to speak of in the last 83 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: The beat reporters report what the org is saying and doing, sometimes intermingled with their own opinion. It’s “fact” in that it’s a fact this is what the org is doing. It’s not “fact” in that the org is right. This org is very rarely right. That’s why they only have 1 Cup banner to speak of in the last 83 years. That's a tired and pointless trope. Look back at any team with a history of winning and you'll see there's just as much luck involved as anything else. Can you imagine if Chicago drafted Lafreniere and Kakko rather than Kane and Toews? What does it matter what happened 10 years ago, let alone 83? But you're right, it's all a giant propaganda campaign. That's why GG is still unemployed, he's part of the cover up and fully immersed himself in the role of shitty coach and refuses to take a new gig... Edited January 27 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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