BrooksBurner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, The Dude said: I wish people would stop using Carolina as some kind of stencil for how a team should play or be built. They've won nothing. The Rangers kinda own them. I'd think BrindAmour is on the hot seat if they don't make it to the Conference finals. I doubt they make it. Not many other teams have this Swiss army knife, interchangeable parts theory. Let's not act like the Rangers are behind the times. Carolina is an example of a really well coached team and organization, but they lack talent. It’s a masterclass on how to execute a gameplan for the sum of the parts to be worth way more than the parts, but not exactly a masterclass on roster construction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Carolina is an example of a really well coached team and organization, but they lack talent. It’s a masterclass on how to execute a gameplan for the sum of the parts to be worth way more than the parts, but not exactly a masterclass on roster construction. Carolina has plenty of talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Carolina is an example of a really well coached team and organization, but they lack talent. It’s a masterclass on how to execute a gameplan for the sum of the parts to be worth way more than the parts, but not exactly a masterclass on roster construction. But theyve won nothing. It's not a formula for success. Idk, maybe they've just been lucky up until this year. It's not like they don't have talent all over that roster. Aho, Teravainen, Svech, Necas, Burns, Orlov, Jarvis, Slavin and everyone's favorite lovechild Fast. I think the mainstays are bigger pieces than you want to give them credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 And when Carolina started off terrible, the coach said they had too many players not buying in. So that's exactly the opposite of "they can throw anybody in the lineup". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 54 minutes ago, The Dude said: But theyve won nothing. It's not a formula for success. Idk, maybe they've just been lucky up until this year. It's not like they don't have talent all over that roster. Aho, Teravainen, Svech, Necas, Burns, Orlov, Jarvis, Slavin and everyone's favorite lovechild Fast. I think the mainstays are bigger pieces than you want to give them credit for. Nice players, but missing the X factor at any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: Nice players, but missing the X factor at any position. Aho's the best two-way C in the division and 2nd in the East to Auston Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, Br4d said: Aho's the best two-way C in the division and 2nd in the East to Auston Matthews. Barkov and even Zib* would like a word. *Even though I know you hate the team you "root" for, try to maintain at least a little perspective Edited January 22 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Do we still want to trade Panarin and Fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Do we still want to trade Panarin and Fox? Yes. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: Do we still want to trade Panarin and Fox? Don't forget K' Andre! LOL oh and Othmann, Shesty, Schneider, Wheeler, KAkko, Laff, Chytil ....you know where I'm going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Ozzy said: Don't forget K' Andre! LOL oh and Othmann, Shesty, Schneider, Wheeler, KAkko, Laff, Chytil ....you know where I'm going! Well, I'm down for dumping Wheeler and Goodrow. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Sharpshooter said: Well, I'm down for dumping Wheeler and Goodrow. lol I think we're stuck with them for the rest of this year, Sharpy. Actually I think Wheeler played really well with Cuylle last night. Those 2 had some decent chemistry and won puck battles all night long. Seems everyone plays well with Willy C! I just wish he had even half those points he got fucked out of early in the season...like 6 I think! His stats would look a lot better. But as far as the eye test goes, yeah man...he's scoring Ozzy points at a good clip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I think we're stuck with them for the rest of this year, Sharpy. Actually I think Wheeler played really well with Cuylle last night. Those 2 had some decent chemistry and won puck battles all night long. Seems everyone plays well with Willy C! I just wish he had even half those points he got fucked out of early in the season...like 6 I think! His stats would look a lot better. But as far as the eye test goes, yeah man...he's scoring Ozzy points at a good clip! Oh, I know they're not going anywhere during the season. Yeah, I'm hoping Wheeler can find good chemistry with someone instead of just floating around slowly every time he's out there. I've been very impressed with Cuylle all year. After this cup of coffee here last season, he came right in right away and shows he belongs at the NHL level. He's a sparkplug that goes hard every shift, he hits, and he can score. More goals will come as time goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Don't forget K' Andre! LOL oh and Othmann, Shesty, Schneider, Wheeler, KAkko, Laff, Chytil ....you know where I'm going! Yes. No. Maybe. Maybe. Yes. Yes. No. Maybe. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Do we still want to trade Panarin and Fox? Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Trouba all have NMC and expressed no interest in leaving the Rangers. Goodrow and Wheeler have NTC and likely aren't going anywhere this year. Fox is 25 years old and a building block for the future, so I have no interest in trading him. If having a good third period against the Ducks is reason for a sunnier outlook, OK. The Ducks are not good. The Rangers have been up and down in the last 10-15 games. If some need to wait to see more data on Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Trouba, Goodrow and Wheeler under Laviolette, OK. We'll see come playoff time what they do. Edited January 22 by fletch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Do we still want to trade Panarin and Fox? No not today. Today is Employee Appreciation Thread day. We will resume regular programming of trades after the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 37 minutes ago, fletch said: Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Trouba all have NMC and expressed no interest in leaving the Rangers. Goodrow and Wheeler have NTC and likely aren't going anywhere this year. Fox is 25 years old and a building block for the future, so I have no interest in trading him. If having a good third period against the Ducks is reason for a sunnier outlook, OK. The Ducks are not good. The Rangers have been up and down in the last 10-15 games. If some need to wait to see more data on Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Trocheck, Trouba, Goodrow and Wheeler under Laviolette, OK. We'll see come playoff time what they do. I was being sarcastic, but I agree. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, Karan said: No not today. Today is Employee Appreciation Thread day. We will resume regular programming of trades after the next game. I'd say "LOSS"! LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Pete said: Barkov and even Zib* would like a word. *Even though I know you hate the team you "root" for, try to maintain at least a little perspective Aho is worth 3 Zibs this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 52 minutes ago, Albatrosss said: Aho is worth 3 Zibs this season No he isn't but cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamsim1967 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 On 1/21/2024 at 11:48 AM, Dunny said: There's hundreds of coaches out there with ideas, the easy thing to do is just go with the defacto guy on the old boys list. Not that that he was necessarily the wrong choice. I don't know, nobody knows, yet. When we see the same things on a yearly basis, it's easy to see that this isn't a coaching issue. What ideas will work with players who aren't interested in doing the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, jamsim1967 said: When we see the same things on a yearly basis, it's easy to see that this isn't a coaching issue. What ideas will work with players who aren't interested in doing the work? Getting players to play a certain way isn't a coaching issue? Sure it is. Look, if you even listened to anything about Gallant's behavior with the Rangers, it's easy to see he isn't an NHL coach. 4 coaches replaced in-season and he wasn't even interviewed. Nuff said. Lavvy had buy in. They were winning. Big complaint was they hadn't scored enough 5v5. When they tried to, they didn't defend well enough 5v5. They had injuries. They are playing with 2 lines, a 4th line, and an AHL first line. They have 40 games to figure it out. Most people figured they'd have a lull to start the season while they adjusted. They didn't. They're having it now. The good news is, they banked points. But, people still going to act like the sky is falling. It isn't. People here talking about blowing up a team this season that's currently in 1st place in their division. Get a grip, people, there's plenty of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 46 minutes ago, Pete said: Getting players to play a certain way isn't a coaching issue? Sure it is. Look, if you even listened to anything about Gallant's behavior with the Rangers, it's easy to see he isn't an NHL coach. 4 coaches replaced in-season and he wasn't even interviewed. Nuff said. Lavvy had buy in. They were winning. Big complaint was they hadn't scored enough 5v5. When they tried to, they didn't defend well enough 5v5. They had injuries. They are playing with 2 lines, a 4th line, and an AHL first line. They have 40 games to figure it out. Most people figured they'd have a lull to start the season while they adjusted. They didn't. They're having it now. The good news is, they banked points. But, people still going to act like the sky is falling. It isn't. People here talking about blowing up a team this season that's currently in 1st place in their division. Get a grip, people, there's plenty of time. excuses, excuses. Just looks like what some of us said in the offseason that it's not GG. some blamed the coach, some said to look further than the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Albatrosss said: excuses, excuses. Just looks like what some of us said in the offseason that it's not GG. some blamed the coach, some said to look further than the coach. Some also said you can't look beyond the coach until you have an actual coach. That's what we'll find out this year. Everything isn't black and white. I don't know where "excuses" come in, but whatever. Edited January 23 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It's a good things Rangers fans don't overreact or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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