Injury Report Chytil Suffers Another Concussion; Placed on LTIR

[Br4d]

The Rangers probably need to make non-rental trades for both 3C and 1RW at this time.

 

Trocheck is just fine as a 2C and slots into the cap appropriately at that level.  Lafreniere works as 2RW for now.

 

How the Rangers make the trades they need to happen happen is an open question.  Cap, NMC's and talent levels all play into the difficulties involved.  At a guess K'Andre Miller has to be part of the package for the RW.  The Rangers just don't have enough talent readily available for it to go any other way.

[jsm7302]

17 minutes ago, Br4d said:

The Rangers probably need to make non-rental trades for both 3C and 1RW at this time.

 

Trocheck is just fine as a 2C and slots into the cap appropriately at that level.  Lafreniere works as 2RW for now.

 

How the Rangers make the trades they need to happen happen is an open question.  Cap, NMC's and talent levels all play into the difficulties involved.  At a guess K'Andre Miller has to be part of the package for the RW.  The Rangers just don't have enough talent readily available for it to go any other way.

You're right on. I don't want to see Miller go but you need to deal from a position of strength in order to upgrade the weaknesses in the lineup.

[RangersIn7]

It’s really hard to justify subtracting pieces off a roster when it’s having this kind of success 

 

Especially a piece like that. 

[jsm7302]

7 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

It’s really hard to justify subtracting pieces off a roster when it’s having this kind of success 

 

Especially a piece like that. 

Agree with you but also believe to make great into best, you gotta make moves to address the RW depth issue. Wheeler is a failing experiment. Maybe Brod sticks and it isn't an issue but I think open minds are necessary to address what is/was a glaring hole in this roster. Better to address prior to a let down than after we start to lose steam. Keep the train rolling. 

[Br4d]

1 minute ago, RangersIn7 said:

It’s really hard to justify subtracting pieces off a roster when it’s having this kind of success 

 

Especially a piece like that. 

 

The Rangers high value pieces are Fox, Shesterkin, Miller, Panarin, Lafreniere, Zibanejad, Trouba, Kreider and Trocheck.   Value pieces that might buy an older 1RW, maybe 31+ and not a star but a good player, include Cuylle, Schneider, another 1st round pick, maybe even Othmann.

 

To get the 25 year old RW or the 28 year old star you have to dip into the high value pool.

 

Fox = no.  Ranger for life by choice.

 

Shesterkin = better be Connor McDavid coming the other way.  Package of course.

 

Miller = no impediments.

 

Panarin = no way in hell he goes unless you can include Brooklyn in the trade.

 

Lafreniere = would buy the 25 year old RW but not the 28 year old star.  I'd rather keep the 22 year old RW and see what he looks like at 25.

 

Zibanejad = no.  Opens up a hole as you fill another.

 

Trouba = no.  No team trades the Captain unless he wants out.  Also, NMC and wife says no.

 

Kreider = not unless you are sending him to Boston and who wants to do that?

 

Trocheck = like Zib opens up a hole.

 

 

[RJWantsTheCup]

Trading Miller makes you have to play Jones & Schneider together which I think we've all seen enough of.

The trade chip is Chytil if and when he ever gets back.

[Long live the King]

41 minutes ago, Br4d said:

The Rangers probably need to make non-rental trades for both 3C and 1RW at this time.

 

Trocheck is just fine as a 2C and slots into the cap appropriately at that level.  Lafreniere works as 2RW for now.

 

How the Rangers make the trades they need to happen happen is an open question.  Cap, NMC's and talent levels all play into the difficulties involved.  At a guess K'Andre Miller has to be part of the package for the RW.  The Rangers just don't have enough talent readily available for it to go any other way.

 

The issue is there's no one to replace Miller.  A long term RW blocks Othmann and Perreault.  The hole that needs a long term fix is 3C.  Miller is an overpayment for a 3C. 

 

The play is rentals again for this year's run.  

[jsm7302]

6 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said:

Trading Miller makes you have to play Jones & Schneider together which I think we've all seen enough of.

The trade chip is Chytil if and when he ever gets back.

Harper played fine on the third pair.

[jsm7302]

2 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

 

The issue is there's no one to replace Miller.  A long term RW blocks Othmann and Perreault.  The hole that needs a long term fix is 3C.  Miller is an overpayment for a 3C. 

 

The play is rentals again for this year's run.  

Rental for that RW spot isn't a bad idea but what are we sending away? Draft capital? Kakko?

[Br4d]

1 minute ago, Long live the King said:

 

The issue is there's no one to replace Miller.  A long term RW blocks Othmann and Perreault.  The hole that needs a long term fix is 3C.  Miller is an overpayment for a 3C. 

 

The play is rentals again for this year's run.  

 

The hole that needs fixing is 1RW.  It's needed fixing for years now and we keep throwing away a 1st round pick plus every year on a rental.  Can't keep doing that.

 

Othmann is a LW and Perreault is at least 2 years out, currently playing college hockey.

 

As to nobody to replace Miller - the Rangers can easily slide Gustafsson up to 2D and you can't let the 3D stand in the way of 1L.  The Rangers need to become a better team up top right now.  We've been sliding by with improbable come from behind victories and last second goals.  That's luck.  It will not continue unless the top line becomes a lot more consistent than they've been so far.

[Br4d]

12 minutes ago, jsm7302 said:

Harper played fine on the third pair.

 

Harpur is gone for the season with a torn pec.  I think he'd be fine opposite Schneider on 3D if he was available, but not until next season.

[RangersIn7]

20 minutes ago, Long live the King said:

 

The issue is there's no one to replace Miller.  A long term RW blocks Othmann and Perreault.  The hole that needs a long term fix is 3C.  Miller is an overpayment for a 3C. 

 

The play is rentals again for this year's run.  

Yup

 

You go get a rental. 

[Pete]

The Rangers aren't trading Miller in season.

 

Who would want Chytil in a trade? He's damaged goods. He would have to be giving you Lindros level production for a team to take a shot at him, and even then you're selling low.

 

The only viable path is futures for current help. 

[Long live the King]

28 minutes ago, Br4d said:

 

The hole that needs fixing is 1RW.  It's needed fixing for years now and we keep throwing away a 1st round pick plus every year on a rental.  Can't keep doing that.

 

Othmann is a LW and Perreault is at least 2 years out, currently playing college hockey.

 

As to nobody to replace Miller - the Rangers can easily slide Gustafsson up to 2D and you can't let the 3D stand in the way of 1L.  The Rangers need to become a better team up top right now.  We've been sliding by with improbable come from behind victories and last second goals.  That's luck.  It will not continue unless the top line becomes a lot more consistent than they've been so far.

 

Laf was a LW too.  Getting a young RW blocks Perreault weather he's 1, 2, or 3 years away.  There is no fill in long term for Miller.  Gus is a rental.  So you're making a trade that blocks your best prospects and have nothing on D to replace Miller.  A rental RW fills a need right now.  You trade Miller and your D is trash the next time Lindgren breaks something so you're renting a D now anyway.

 

Just rent the RW and don't bring in a long term road block for your best prospects.  

[Pete]

Just now, Long live the King said:

 

Laf was a LW too.  Getting a young RW blocks Perreault weather he's 1, 2, or 3 years away.  There is no fill in long term for Miller.  Gus is a rental.  So you're making a trade that blocks your best prospects and have nothing on D to replace Miller.  A rental RW fills a need right now.  You trade Miller and your D is trash the next time Lindgren breaks something so you're renting a D now anyway.

 

Just rent the RW and don't bring in a long term road block for your best prospects.  

Perrault is listed at both wings. He's predominantly played left, IIRC.

 

He probably steps into Panarin's lineup spot when bread hits UFA. 

[Br4d]

Also nobody knows where Laffy is going to wind up.  RW this year was more about the Ranger's glaring hole and the opportunity to play him with Panarin.

[RJWantsTheCup]

44 minutes ago, jsm7302 said:

Harper played fine on the third pair.

Harper is out for the year.

[RJWantsTheCup]

25 minutes ago, Pete said:

The Rangers aren't trading Miller in season.

 

Who would want Chytil in a trade? He's damaged goods. He would have to be giving you Lindros level production for a team to take a shot at him, and even then you're selling low.

 

The only viable path is futures for current help. 

Chytil would have to comeback and prove that he can stay in the line-up.  

They really don't have any other trade chips that they are willing to trade unless they trade draft picks.

[Br4d]

Chytil has no trade value barring coming back and playing something like a full season with 30-ish goals.  The goals might make somebody overlook the "like an egg back there" factor.

Edited December 8, 2023 by Br4d

[deejaid]

There is no way Miller is going anywhere and no one is going to want a damaged Chytil.   I think you need to just ride with what you have in the system right now until a decision can be made on Chytil's availability this season.  If they shut him down for the year, that opens up some cap space.

 

I think the Sharks have two options at right wing that would be intriguing.  One of course is Duclair as we have all seen what he is capable of, although a lot of teams are going to be contacting the Sharks about his services. 

 

The other is Kevin LeBanc.  Lebanc has been a healthy scratch multiple times this season and doesn't get along with Quinn.  He had 15 goals and 33 points last year on a very bad Sharks team but if you look back to 2018-19 when the Sharks had skill around him and the team finished 2nd in the Pacific, Lebanc had 17 goals and 56 points.  He has a cap hit of $4.7M but is a UFA after this season and is only 27 years old.  

 

The Sharks are looking for defensemen so maybe a package of Robertson and a mid round pick would get you Lebanc, with the Sharks retaining 50% of his salary.

 

If he comes here and has a good season, he could be reupped at a reasonable price as he is a New York kid.

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, deejaid said:

There is no way Miller is going anywhere and no one is going to want a damaged Chytil.   I think you need to just ride with what you have in the system right now until a decision can be made on Chytil's availability this season.  If they shut him down for the year, that opens up some cap space.

 

I think the Sharks have two options at right wing that would be intriguing.  One of course is Duclair as we have all seen what he is capable of, although a lot of teams are going to be contacting the Sharks about his services. 

 

The other is Kevin LeBanc.  Lebanc has been a healthy scratch multiple times this season and doesn't get along with Quinn.  He had 15 goals and 33 points last year on a very bad Sharks team but if you look back to 2018-19 when the Sharks had skill around him and the team finished 2nd in the Pacific, Lebanc had 17 goals and 56 points.  He has a cap hit of $4.7M but is a UFA after this season and is only 27 years old.  

 

The Sharks are looking for defensemen so maybe a package of Robertson and a mid round pick would get you Lebanc, with the Sharks retaining 50% of his salary.

 

If he comes here and has a good season, he could be reupped at a reasonable price as he is a New York kid.

I like Lebanc shot, the only issue is he stinks. 

[The Dude]

2 hours ago, jsm7302 said:

You're right on. I don't want to see Miller go but you need to deal from a position of strength in order to upgrade the weaknesses in the lineup.

Has it been suggested yet to move Miller to RW?  I mean, he's not the greatest defensively. He's all offense.  Other D men have gone back and forth over the years. Is it too soon to mess with him? 

 

That speed and offensive talent on the wing with that big frame. Slots Gustafsson up. Puts Jones in the lineup which I'm sure makes some people sick lol. 

[Br4d]

2 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Has it been suggested yet to move Miller to RW?  I mean, he's not the greatest defensively. He's all offense.  Other D men have gone back and forth over the years. Is it too soon to mess with him? 

 

That speed and offensive talent on the wing with that big frame. Slots Gustafsson up. Puts Jones in the lineup which I'm sure makes some people sick lol. 

 

If you move Miller you move him to C.

[The Dude]

6 minutes ago, Br4d said:

 

If you move Miller you move him to C.

Interesting thought. But they need RW more at this time. 

[BrooksBurner]

Trade Kakko++ for Eriksson Ek once the Wild have given up on the season. Then rent cheap at RW (3rd rounder). If Chytil comes back late in the season, great, he can help stack the right side and they won't be dependent on his health this year. If not, OK, center is covered and a bazillion different wing options have yet to be tried.