Pete Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 4 hours ago, RangersIn7 said: Yup. It’s commonplace for Cup teams to not play well in October-November-December. That only lapses like 35 games. It’s important, yes. But not paramount. What's a "Cup team" in this reference? Because I can pull dozens of articles about teams out of the playoff bubble by US Thanksgiving miss the playoffs completely most of the time. So I'm gonna push back hard on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: What's a "Cup team" in this reference? Because I can pull dozens of articles about teams out of the playoff bubble by US Thanksgiving miss the playoffs completely most of the time. So I'm gonna push back hard on this one... By that I mean teams that fancy themselves as contenders and would have at least fair support on that assertion by fans and the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: By that I mean teams that fancy themselves as contenders and would have at least fair support on that assertion by fans and the media. Got it, I thought you may have meant teams with a cup run hangover. Yeah, I think if you look into it you'll find that in most cases if you're not in the playoffs by thanksgiving, you don't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, Pete said: Got it, I thought you may have meant teams with a cup run hangover. Yeah, I think if you look into it you'll find that in most cases if you're not in the playoffs by thanksgiving, you don't make the playoffs. Rangers are in a wild card spot right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 13 hours ago, Pete said: Got it, I thought you may have meant teams with a cup run hangover. Yeah, I think if you look into it you'll find that in most cases if you're not in the playoffs by thanksgiving, you don't make the playoffs. And more specifically… when I said teams like that not playing well, I don’t mean awful. I mean more in the realm of underachieving, choppy, inconsistent hockey like we’ve seen. Not bottom of standings bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 Getting tougher to be patient 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) I understand that being an NHL coach must be incredibly hard with athletes these days, but my God if he's not at the point of "if you don't do it my way you're going to sit" across the board, then he's just doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Edited November 18, 2022 by Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 His seat might be getting a little warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I think one of us should be the next coach. We definitely know better. Hell, even reporters come here for advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 7:48 PM, RangersIn7 said: Yeah. That was my thought too. But he’s not the actual rapist. He’s not irredeemable. But if he doesn’t coach again, the cancel culture is the operative why. Or, alternatively, the operative why is that Quenneville knew what happened to that poor kid and did nothing about it. If he never gets to coach an NHL team again it isn’t cancel culture, it’s common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goondman Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 3:36 PM, Keirik said: Yeah, I’m afraid he may be too untouchable right now. welcome to the site btw! Awesome place to talk Rangers hockey. Thank you, glad to be here! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Gravesy said: Or, alternatively, the operative why is that Quenneville knew what happened to that poor kid and did nothing about it. If he never gets to coach an NHL team again it isn’t cancel culture, it’s common sense. The whole organization botched the thing. Top to bottom. But yeah… if he doesn’t coach again, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: His seat might be getting a little warmer. It should be uncomfortably warm right now. Not enough to light a fire or burn the skin, but just enough to not feel comfortable. The moment the team falls out of the playoffs picture—currently a one-point margin—I'd be making a move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: It should be uncomfortably warm right now. Not enough to light a fire or burn the skin, but just enough to not feel comfortable. The moment the team falls out of the playoffs picture—currently a one-point margin—I'd be making a move. By the time they arrive home and are ready to play next Saturday....we should know if Gallant is here for good this season or not. This teeter totter garbage isn't a way to make progress on last year. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 A lot of cup winners are in the dulldrums early the next season. Semi-finalists? No such excuse. In 1992, the defending champ Pens looked like they were going to miss the playoffs before cruising to the cup. On the other hand, in 1996, the defending champ Devils looked like they were going to miss the playoffs... and did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Sod16 said: A lot of cup winners are in the dulldrums early the next season. Semi-finalists? No such excuse. In 1992, the defending champ Pens looked like they were going to miss the playoffs before cruising to the cup. On the other hand, in 1996, the defending champ Devils looked like they were going to miss the playoffs... and did. Dude, all of this was 30 years ago. This is all before three-point games and wild card spots. Bringing up stuff that happened three decades ago is completely irrelevant to today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The psychological factors that result in some cup winners meandering through the following regular season are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 But the parameters by which you make the playoffs the next season are wildly different, so I will say again that it is totally irrelevant what happened in 1992. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 days later and I’m still feeling like Vesey and Goodrow in OT is inexcusable no matter how the kids played. The game Kreider got demoted because of performance, he was still put out there in OT. That move is really sticking in my craw. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Pete said: But the parameters by which you make the playoffs the next season are wildly different, so I will say again that it is totally irrelevant what happened in 1992. I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I'm talking about champions having a hangover and underperforming for at least a significant period, whether they missed the playoffs or not. Incidentally, it was easier to make the the playoffs in 1992 than now, as 16 of 22 teams made it rather than 16 of 32. The danger of a funk leading to missing the playoffs is greater now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sod16 said: I'm not talking about making the playoffs. I'm talking about champions having a hangover and underperforming for at least a significant period, whether they missed the playoffs or not. Incidentally, it was easier to make the the playoffs in 1992 than now, as 16 of 22 teams made it rather than 16 of 32. The danger of a funk leading to missing the playoffs is greater now. Ah, gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 100%. Fire the bum coach. The problem is definitely not Kakko, Lafreniere, and Kravstov who have been given bigger roles in the top 6 and failed. Def not that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 We don't need no stinkin' coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, ThirtyONE said: 100%. Fire the bum coach. The problem is definitely not Kakko, Lafreniere, and Kravstov who have been given bigger roles in the top 6 and failed. Def not that. Have they though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 In other news, Chytil has probably been the Rangers most productive even strength forward on the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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