2021-22 Off-Season Thread — Go Into the Sadness

[Cash or Czech]

Another one

 

 

[The Dude]

11 hours ago, Pete said:

How do we get here? They had limited cap space, priorities over 4th liners, and about 4 other options for 4th line wing that fit under the cap already. He wasn't needed. Cullye probably gets a chance.

 

There's not always some nefarious backstory.

Gauthier,  Carpenter and Hajek. That's how I got there. Add Hunt in there too.

 

I've explained this. They are retaining players they aren't going to use, and signed another that they could have done without.  Could send Hunt down.  He shut down the idea really fast and pretty much picked Hunt over him.

 

Hunt (and or Gauthier) is useless and shouldn't have a spot on the roster over Motte. Send down Hunt or don't sign Gauthier and don't sign Carpenter and there's your space for him.

 

2 of the 3 options you speak of were signed to new contracts.  

 

And jeez, it's not like I said there's a conspiracy or something. 

 

I'll take Motte over the combination of dogshit that is Carpenter AND Hunt any day. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

Gauthier,  Carpenter and Hajek. That's how I got there. Add Hunt in there too.

 

I've explained this. They are retaining players they aren't going to use, and signed another that they could have done without.  Could send Hunt down.  He shut down the idea really fast and pretty much picked Hunt over him.

 

Hunt (and or Gauthier) is useless and shouldn't have a spot on the roster over Motte. Send down Hunt or don't sign Gauthier and don't sign Carpenter and there's your space for him.

 

2 of the 3 options you speak of were signed to new contracts.  

 

And jeez, it's not like I said there's a conspiracy or something. 

 

I'll take Motte over the combination of dogshit that is Carpenter AND Hunt any day. 

Carpenter is here because they needed a center. Hint counts against the cap even if sent down. 

 

There's no evidence Drury doesn't like Motte or negotiation got too hard. 

[josh]

Hunt wouldn’t count against the cap of sent down. 

[Phil]

I forget what the limit is, but yeah, he'd likely clear the bar. His $762,500 is just over league minimum ($750K).

[josh]

1.125

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#buried

 

Quote

What is a Buried Contract?

Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league. 
The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total. 
The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:

• 2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
• 2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
• 2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
• 2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
• 2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
• 2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
• 2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
• 2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000
• 2022-23: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000
• 2023-24: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000
• 2024-25: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000
• 2025-26: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by josh

[Pete]

Oh so he makes just enough to not matter... Or about 2.5x what Motte likely asked for. 

[The Dude]

9 hours ago, Pete said:

Carpenter is here because they needed a center. Hint counts against the cap even if sent down. 

 

There's no evidence Drury doesn't like Motte or negotiation got too hard. 

Carpenter was brought in because he's a Gallant guy and im pretty sure hes going to play wing. Hunt won't count against the cap if sent down. Gauthier is making 800k I believe.. 

 

Motte is a PK machine,  which is a need over whatever the fuck it is people think Hunt brings, or whatever they plan to do with Gauthier. Carpenter just stinks. 

 

I don't see the big deal in suggesting that Drury isn't into Motte, or that the negotiations went bad (maybe Motte was talking upward of 1.5). It wasn't a shot on Drury, just an observation.

Edited July 22, 2022 by The Dude

[The Dude]

8 hours ago, Pete said:

Oh so he makes just enough to not matter... Or about 2.5x what Motte likely asked for. 

Well said. He doesn't matter. Nor does Carpenter. Nor did Gauthier (but now, at 800k i guess he counts). 2 of these three didn't have to be here and that's the cap space that should have or still can go to Motte at 1.2-1.4. 

[josh]

2 hours ago, The Dude said:

Carpenter was brought in because he's a Gallant guy and im pretty sure hes going to play wing. Hunt won't count against the cap if sent down. Gauthier is making 800k I believe.. 

 

Motte is a PK machine,  which is a need over whatever the fuck it is people think Hunt brings, or whatever they plan to do with Gauthier. Carpenter just stinks. 

 

I don't see the big deal in suggesting that Drury isn't into Motte, or that the negotiations went bad (maybe Motte was talking upward of 1.5). It wasn't a shot on Drury, just an observation.

Carpenter played more PK minutes, more pk min per game, and had a higher pk minutes player than Motte last season.

He also takes draws. 
 

rangers needed a 4C, they have enough scraps to play 4W, and Carpenter can do that, too. 
they got a guy that checked the boxes and was cheaper. 

[The Dude]

7 hours ago, josh said:

Carpenter played more PK minutes, more pk min per game, and had a higher pk minutes player than Motte last season.

He also takes draws. 
 

And? I guess that's why the Hawks were ranked 24th in PK percentage?  He stinks. That's why he got the salary he did. He's not value. You don't check boxes when you suck. Carpenter sucks. 

 

Motte fit here, he added speed, throws the body, and performed in NY already.  You know what you're getting in Motte. I guess you know what you're getting with Carpenter too.  Another below average at everything pile if crap like Hunt. 

[Cash or Czech]

If Motte would’ve re-signed for $750k, he would be under contract by now. He’s holding out for $2mil or so, understandably, and that doesn’t work here. 
 

Ridiculous to think we picked Carpenter over Motte because we valued Carpenter more. It’s a cap situation. You don’t get much for $750k in this league. 

[josh]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

And? I guess that's why the Hawks were ranked 24th in PK percentage?  He stinks. That's why he got the salary he did. He's not value. You don't check boxes when you suck. Carpenter sucks. 

 

Motte fit here, he added speed, throws the body, and performed in NY already.  You know what you're getting in Motte. I guess you know what you're getting with Carpenter too.  Another below average at everything pile if crap like Hunt. 

What did Vancouver rank?

 

come on, post it. What did their pk rank?

[Cash or Czech]

PLD re-signs? Yup. 
 

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Cash or Czech

[josh]

Motte was obscure. I’m not sure where people are getting this idea that he was great, or necessary, important blah blah. The exact kinda player you walk away from for a cheaper guy that checks boxes.

[Phil]

28 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said:

If Motte would’ve re-signed for $750k, he would be under contract by now. He’s holding out for $2mil or so, understandably, and that doesn’t work here. 
 

Ridiculous to think we picked Carpenter over Motte because we valued Carpenter more. It’s a cap situation. You don’t get much for $750k in this league. 

 

It's exactly this. It has everything to do with price, and almost nothing to do with the players. Head-to-head, I'm sure the Rangers preferred Motte, they just didn't prefer him at $2M+ versus Carpenter's $750K.

[Pete]

I thought it was because Motte didn't like Drury's pizza. 

[RangersIn7]

35 minutes ago, Pete said:

I thought it was because Motte didn't like Drury's pizza. 

Drury isn’t Italian.

 

If you’re not Italian, your pizza sucks. 
 

I can’t blame him for that. 

[-ERIK-]

4 hours ago, The Dude said:

And? I guess that's why the Hawks were ranked 24th in PK percentage?  He stinks. That's why he got the salary he did. He's not value. You don't check boxes when you suck. Carpenter sucks. 

 

Motte fit here, he added speed, throws the body, and performed in NY already.  You know what you're getting in Motte. I guess you know what you're getting with Carpenter too.  Another below average at everything pile if crap like Hunt. 

Have any of us watched Carpenter consistently enough to say he sucks?I know I haven't.

Motte was solid here but it is what it is.

I guess Carpenter is your new Hunt for next season

[The Dude]

3 hours ago, Cash or Czech said:

If Motte would’ve re-signed for $750k, he would be under contract by now. He’s holding out for $2mil or so, understandably, and that doesn’t work here. 
 

Ridiculous to think we picked Carpenter over Motte because we valued Carpenter more. It’s a cap situation. You don’t get much for $750k in this league. 

Like I said. 1.4 gets you Motte (hes not getting 2 nor do I think he'd ask for 2). He's going to get around 1.2/1.5. So lets say 1.4. You come up with the 1.4 by doing 2 of the following.

 

1)Not signing Carpenter

2) Not giving Hunt a roster spot 

3) Not extending Gauthier 

 

Again, maybe you're right and Motte was asking for too much to start. I said that. I followed that with saying negotiations probably didn't go well. Somehow that turned into me bad mouthing Drury and calling it a conspiracy. 

 

Motte isn’t getting 2 mill. He's not getting more than 1.5. Had the Rangers not already filled the spot with garbage, they probably could have re-engaged negotiations and came to terms on something sensible. 

 

It's bickering for sure on my part. I'd just rather have a speedy guy with jets on the PK, than anything the 3 guys I'm talking about bring to the table. 

 

I left Reaves out of the discussion but could easily have thrown his name into the frey too. He's another guy that doesn't bring enough to the table to warrant a spot.  But atleast he serves one purpose and is pretty good at that purpose.

 

I don't feel the same about the 3 forwards I'm questioning being here over Motte. None are very good at any one particular thing.

 

 

[The Dude]

3 hours ago, josh said:

What did Vancouver rank?

 

come on, post it. What did their pk rank?

The difference is, I'm not clamoring about Mottes status as PK minutes overlord like you did with Carpenter  

 

You brought up Carpenters PK minutes as if it solidifies anything as to him being a PK specialist. He played more minutes on a shitty PK unit and is probably part of why their PK was bad, is all that translates to me. 

 

Motte is the superior player and its not even close. You can't be serious here. 

[The Dude]

28 minutes ago, -ERIK- said:

Have any of us watched Carpenter consistently enough to say he sucks?I know I haven't.

Motte was solid here but it is what it is.

I guess Carpenter is your new Hunt for next season

No. I'm willing to give him a chance.  Atleast he can suck at multiple positions. Hunt will always be my least liked player here. They could bring back Val Kamensky and I'd still hate Hunt more. 

[The Dude]

3 hours ago, Phil said:

 

It's exactly this. It has everything to do with price, and almost nothing to do with the players. Head-to-head, I'm sure the Rangers preferred Motte, they just didn't prefer him at $2M+ versus Carpenter's $750K.

Come December they are going to be in the market for exactly what Motte brings. Like they always are. Motte wasn't ask for 2. The market has leveled out and he's still not signed. He's going to be available for close to what he was making. As I stated, had they waited they probably could have come to terms if they ended negotiations on good terms.  

[josh]

16 minutes ago, The Dude said:

The difference is, I'm not clamoring about Mottes status as PK minutes overlord like you did with Carpenter  

 

You brought up Carpenters PK minutes as if it solidifies anything as to him being a PK specialist. He played more minutes on a shitty PK unit and is probably part of why their PK was bad, is all that translates to me. 

 

Motte is the superior player and its not even close. You can't be serious here. 

I’m not clamoring over Carpenter. I’m simply stating the facts. He’s a versatile Rooney replacement, at a cheaper rate. He checks more boxes, too. It’s a simple decision for Drury, really. I think most are overthinking the decision and tying it to Motte, when I don’t think that’s the case. 

[josh]

8 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Come December they are going to be in the market for exactly what Motte brings. Like they always are. Motte wasn't ask for 2. The market has leveled out and he's still not signed. He's going to be available for close to what he was making. As I stated, had they waited they probably could have come to terms if they ended negotiations on good terms.  

Then they can trade a late pick for that before the playoffs. Not an issue. 
 

Although motte is more polished and reliable, Hunt is more aggressive, physical and brought more energy- which the team will need throughout the season. And hunts cap hit disappears if sent down, motte and Reaves wouldn’t