LindG1000 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Oh I get it - I might be the first, and most consistent Howdoubter. But, comparatively hes not worst than Chytil. This 'non-defensive' bottom 6 C put up the same points as 'young, dynamic, future #2C' that has been put in more offensive situations. You dont find that argument the least bit ironic? As for this season, Howden has been moved around just as much as Lafreniere. LW, RW, C, 3rd line, 4th line, etc. And he's slumping just like Zibanejad. The difference is, the bottom 6 hasnt been the issue this season. They arent losing games because the 4th line isnt contributing. They lose because their top guys are contributing how they should. He's also been the best at Faceoffs with a ... 48% - WTF guys, 48% is the best? fuck I hear you, but when you look at the rest of the stats - Chytil's been a fancystats monster so far this year. Howden's been a black hole - in spite of Chytil only getting around 3% more starts in the offensive zone than Howden, he's still outpacing him by 3x the points in 40% of the games. The concern level around Chytil isn't there for me. There's obvious progress, and exceptional talent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I hear you, but when you look at the rest of the stats - Chytil's been a fancystats monster so far this year. Howden's been a black hole - in spite of Chytil only getting around 3% more starts in the offensive zone than Howden, he's still outpacing him by 3x the points in 40% of the games. The concern level around Chytil isn't there for me. There's obvious progress, and exceptional talent there. Yes, he's been playing well this season - and I pointed out in my post that the numbers were from the previous seasons. For me, when looking at the entire team and the future, although I like Chytil, Howden is closer to what the team needs him to be than what Chytil is. At this point, Chytil is a safety net for when Zibanejad gets hurt. Long-term, he's not a top 9 winger. He's not going to overtake Zibanejad anytime soon. He's not good enough defensively to be a 3C. His 23 points arent 2C level. He's essentially a forward Georgiev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Yes, he's been playing well this season - and I pointed out in my post that the numbers were from the previous seasons. For me, when looking at the entire team and the future, although I like Chytil, Howden is closer to what the team needs him to be than what Chytil is. At this point, Chytil is a safety net for when Zibanejad gets hurt. Long-term, he's not a top 9 winger. He's not going to overtake Zibanejad anytime soon. He's not good enough defensively to be a 3C. His 23 points arent 2C level. He's essentially a forward Georgiev. He's also 21 years old, and is clearly taking significant strides this year. I mean, if you're point is that - right now - Howden is closer to being an acceptable 4c than Chytil is to being the solution at 2c, then I guess that's true. Even if Howden is a black hole on the ice. But I'm not sure that's a very relevant point given Chytil is showing more and more of his upside and potential and where he is at this stage of his development. That his production during his 19 and 20 yo seasons is underwhelming seems like a strange stick to beat him with. I'm not really interested in that, I'm interested in his development and what he's showing on the ice right now. And that's pretty encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Oh I get it - I might be the first, and most consistent Howdoubter. But, comparatively hes not worst than Chytil. This 'non-defensive' bottom 6 C put up the same points as 'young, dynamic, future #2C' that has been put in more offensive situations. You don't find that argument the least bit ironic? As for this season, Howden has been moved around just as much as Lafreniere. LW, RW, C, 3rd line, 4th line, etc. And he's slumping just like Zibanejad. The difference is, the bottom 6 hasn't been the issue this season. They aren't losing games because the 4th line isn't contributing. They lose because their top guys are contributing how they should. He's also been the best at Faceoffs with a ... 48% - WTF guys, 48% is the best? fuck I hear where you're coming from, Josh. I'm just not seeing any progress out of Howden, as a matter of fact, I actually feel he's regressed a little. To me it seems like he's on the ice trying to "not suck", instead of trying to "improve". I don't even see him take any shots on goal anymore. Most of his shifts it's usually, a hard 40 seconds in the neutral or defensive zone trying to break out. Then dump it and get off the ice. I think a lot of this is eventually going to get resolved by a trade anyway. I think Chytil is more of a #2 center as well, and with Strome playing like he has been, that may make Chytil the odd man out. If the Rangers do indeed get Eichel, I think they'd most likely be giving up Chytil in that deal. Howden would then be, in that world the 4th line center...but I think Howden has a ways to go, and I think he's more apt to be playing in the AHL sooner than later. I actually think Rooney has been a pretty good find for the 4th line center spot. I think we have played too many games though, and we can't send Howden down for the rest of this season, so I think that's out. He probably wouldn't clear waivers, and you'd hate to lose another asset for nothing. So let's see how he does the rest of the way. I'll watch for what you mentioned, Josh. It's a fair point. :thumbs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Yes, he's been playing well this season - and I pointed out in my post that the numbers were from the previous seasons. For me, when looking at the entire team and the future, although I like Chytil, Howden is closer to what the team needs him to be than what Chytil is. At this point, Chytil is a safety net for when Zibanejad gets hurt. Long-term, he's not a top 9 winger. He's not going to overtake Zibanejad anytime soon. He's not good enough defensively to be a 3C. His 23 points arent 2C level. He's essentially a forward Georgiev. Right now, the Rangers are running a top 9 and a 4th line, so while you want your traditional 3c to be more defensively responsible than Chytil, you're also not asking it of him. Nor has it been necessary, because we have some Cs on the wings with Blackwell and Rooney able to play the defensive sort of roles you'd generally ask of a 3c. At this very moment, the Rangers need Chytil to be a mid six center, specifically a 3c, but soon, a 2c. He's fulfilling that quite well - perhaps even exceeding the expectations. I think he's never going to be the "traditional" 3c, but that's fine - you need him making Strome expendable and he's scoring at a clip that you can at least think about it if he keeps it up. Strome's doing a hell of a job holding down his spot - no issues there and probably part of the reason why your point has some decent merit. Howden needs to play at a 4c level. That's it. If he does like last year and plays a tweener 3c, awesome. He's just lost right now - he looks like Kris Newbury's younger, more attractive self. Right now, I'm not sure Howden plays second line for the Wolfpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Chytil is developing fine. His size and speed make him a keeper. I'm sorry Howden isn't anything the Rangers need, maybe they could use him Hartford. Even as a pk specialist, he's one of the worst on the team. I don't know what he does well other than try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Albatrosss Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Georgiev will be fine. Just dont let him play 2 in a row. i was hoping Panarin will play tomorrow. why dont they know when is he going to play? very fishy stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Georgiev will be fine. Just dont let him play 2 in a row. i was hoping Panarin will play tomorrow. why dont they know when is he going to play? very fishy stuff not sure why it's fishy. He hasn't practiced in 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 The whole thing with him and this incident is fishy. If he never left the country, why didnt he skate? Even if he didnt, how many practices and skates does he need to be game ready? He’s only been out for 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I don’t think it’s fishy at all. He was hit with a serious accusation. It’s not uncommon for a guy to take time off to deal with something like that. It’s also not uncommon to give a guy a couple of practice sessions before he gets back to playing games when he hasn’t skated with the team for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 This is very uncommon. He’s a professional athlete in excellent physical shape who shoudnt need a week of skating around and practicing to get in the game. Its not like he’s been out for 2 months with a broken leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 This is very uncommon. He’s a professional athlete in excellent physical shape who shoudnt need a week of skating around and practicing to get in the game. Its not like he’s been out for 2 months with a broken leg. Yea you would know you spy Hey admin can we ban this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Ahhh fuck it, who gives a shit. As long as he's back playing with no injury or bullshit! We're not in danger of anything this season; we're not making the playoffs, and we're not in the middle of some tight race, looking for a playoff spot, in my opinion. We get him back, and lord knows he'll definitely be a MAJOR plus. At least we got to see what we have with other players in his absence....as long as everything is ok now, and we'll sure as hell never know the real story behind the scenes, so.......moving forward. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Again, I would say it's pretty standard to get a couple of practices in before playing a game when you haven't been with the team for 2 weeks. If it was a game where everything was on the line, season over if you lose type of thing you might think differently. But in the Rangers situation it makes sense to allow him to get back up to speed with a couple of practices first. I'm not really sure why this is controversial tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 This is very uncommon. He’s a professional athlete in excellent physical shape who shoudnt need a week of skating around and practicing to get in the game. Its not like he’s been out for 2 months with a broken leg. Guys play with no shoulders, broken jaws, broken foot, missing an eye, teeth knocked out during the game...but if you miss practice - nah, can't play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Guys play with no shoulders, broken jaws, broken foot, missing an eye, teeth knocked out during the game...but if you miss practice - nah, can't play! NHL logic!!! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I mean, I understand if he's not playing - but I can still be frustrated. But the health and safety of players, family, even fans come first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I mean, I understand if he's not playing - but I can still be frustrated. But the health and safety of players, family, even fans come first Yeah. It sucks he isn't playing, but I get it. It's been a crazy few weeks for the guy. Hopefully Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 As long as he's gotten his personal stuff situated, it's fine. Get rid of the drama and move on. If he needs an extra few days to practice and get his bearings, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I mean, I understand if he's not playing - but I can still be frustrated. But the health and safety of players, family, even fans come first Yeah. It sucks he isn't playing, but I get it. It's been a crazy few weeks for the guy. Hopefully Saturday. As long as he's gotten his personal stuff situated, it's fine. Get rid of the drama and move on. If he needs an extra few days to practice and get his bearings, so be it. Exactly...no big deal. He'll be back and we'll be better for it. I'm looking forward to seeing him back on the ice too. As long as everything's cool, I can wait another game. :thumbs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 For all we know he asked to be able to practice with the team as a next step, but wasn't certain if his head was straight enough to play in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 He should be playing. Besides, not for nothing, but usually with athletes going through tough personal situations, the only time they’re head is on straight is when they are between the lines/on the ice/pitch/ etc. if it’s Quinn holding him out I get it. Quinn is a moron so it would make sense. If it’s Artemi, yuck. This team is fighting like hell out there. They need him. Fans need him. Show some pride in the sweater. I can’t say I’m not disappointed. Dropped down a few notches in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddynyc Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 Kinkaid in goal tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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