Drew a Penalty Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Name: K'Andre Miller Position: D Shoots: L Current Team: USDP (USHL) Elite Prospects Profile: https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/308192/k-andre-miller Current Statistics HockeyDB.com Page:http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196132 Team Player Page:https://teamusa.usahockey.com/page/show/4096536-k-andre-miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRangers723 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Well at least the reception is better. Kid has major upside just like kranstov. Many are saying we overpaid to move up 4 spots but he most likely would of been gone. Plus dont be surprised if we regain a 2nd tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 The trade up value was probably not good, but this kid has huge upside. And huge fuckin' hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Gotta give to get. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 The trade up value was probably not good, but this kid has huge upside. And huge fuckin' hands. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Gorton said he believed he was not going to be there at 26. That always raises the price, but also makes it worth it. If you like a player a lot, think he is BPA with impact player potential and think he'll be gone, then the 48th pick shouldn't hold you back. Sucks, but I'm gonna convince myself Anaheim knows D and was going to take him. Not far fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 All things pointed to Anaheim being in on him. I wanted him from day 1. Could bust but has potential to be a massive talent. Best of the three picks in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Byfuglien 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 going to play in wisconsin which has a habit of development on the blueline. kid has a nasty streak as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I really like this pick. A massive dude who's an excellent skater and plays hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 going to play in wisconsin which has a habit of development on the blueline. kid has a nasty streak as well As much as I'm down on picking D, I like that. The playoffs are a demolition derby and the refs swallow the whistle. D is allowed to batter and assault opposing forwards i/f/o the net with impunity. Of all the NYR current and prospect D, few can do that. This guy can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skunkman Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 When you over power everybody just walking up on the stage then I approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 This was the one guy I really wanted with one of our two late 1st round picks. It sucks that they had to give up a 2nd rounder to move up to get him but this kid can turn into a top pairing d-man. The unknown 2nd rounder probably doesn't have that high of a ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Absolutely my #1 pick for 26 and a lot of fans, experts and scouts think the same. We woulda screw up 48 anyway :) His weaknesses are that he is still learning the position, having been a converted forward. That is not a weakness of his doing and he is growing into the position nicely. After that I can't find a serious weakness, everything is improvable. Burns/Buff is a good comparison if he reaches his potential. Good driven kids with strong work ethic are the best bets to achieve their potential. Go US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddynyc Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 This is the pick I like the most 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respecttheblue Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 As much as I'm down on picking D, I like that. The playoffs are a demolition derby and the refs swallow the whistle. D is allowed to batter and assault opposing forwards i/f/o the net with impunity. Of all the NYR current and prospect D, few can do that. This guy can. Feel similarly. Especially as it's a dimension we were kind of lacking. Now I remind myself he's only 18 and a frshman at Wisconsin and I'm just going to have to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 My "concern" with Miller is he is an athlete first, hockey player second. We need to be very careful and cognizant regarding his development, especially since he's only been playing defense the last few seasons. He could probably get by on athleticism, and be a solid bottom pair guy. Or he continues to develop (give him an extra season or 2), and he could develop into a #2. I don't want to see the organization (or the player) feel pressured into getting him into the NHL 'ASAP' and limit his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 My "concern" with Miller is he is an athlete first, hockey player second. We need to be very careful and cognizant regarding his development, especially since he's only been playing defense the last few seasons. He could probably get by on athleticism, and be a solid bottom pair guy. Or he continues to develop (give him an extra season or 2), and he could develop into a #2. I don't want to see the organization (or the player) feel pressured into getting him into the NHL 'ASAP' and limit his potential. That's fair. Wisconsin is a perfect place for him to be and we can see what he does this year against older kids. He'll learn a good D system and get the fundamentals down this year. No pressure, just listen to your coaches learn and enjoy. He improved nicely throughout the year on the USNT. He won't have Oliver the closer to pass it to, though. He's really dedicated and willing, he had a real good rep. I have a good feeling about his hockey aptitude. But yeah, he'll make mistakes every time he jumps a level and we shouldn't rush anyone up here. Miller, Lundkvist, Krav, Hajek, Howden in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 That's fair. Wisconsin is a perfect place for him to be and we can see what he does this year against older kids. He'll learn a good D system and get the fundamentals down this year. No pressure, just listen to your coaches learn and enjoy. He improved nicely throughout the year on the USNT. He won't have Oliver the closer to pass it to, though. He's really dedicated and willing, he had a real good rep. I have a good feeling about his hockey aptitude. But yeah, he'll make mistakes every time he jumps a level and we shouldn't rush anyone up here. Miller, Lundkvist, Krav, Hajek, Howden in particular. To me, he still looks very raw. And I think there will always be pressure to develop, and develop quickly, when you are a first round pick. And by take our time, I mean, potentially 4 years, plus 1 in the AHL. (McDonagh was 3 + 1/2 in AHL, for comparison) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 To me, he still looks very raw. And I think there will always be pressure to develop, and develop quickly, when you are a first round pick. And by take our time, I mean, potentially 4 years, plus 1 in the AHL. (McDonagh was 3 + 1/2 in AHL, for comparison) Pressure can be managed with good mgmt. The pressure picks up once mgmt handles expectations poorly and doesn't put a wet blanket on any hype. Josh, times they are a changing. No reason to think talented fast physical 1st rounders need five years before being able to break into the league. Even raw defenders... and he is not raw or immature in a number of areas. He'll have no problem with the speed of the game or the size, something a lot of kids can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 My "concern" with Miller is he is an athlete first, hockey player second. We need to be very careful and cognizant regarding his development, especially since he's only been playing defense the last few seasons. He could probably get by on athleticism, and be a solid bottom pair guy. Or he continues to develop (give him an extra season or 2), and he could develop into a #2. I don't want to see the organization (or the player) feel pressured into getting him into the NHL 'ASAP' and limit his potential. That's actually part of why I like his upside so much. Imagine how much more he can grow focusing exclusively on hockey. I agree that he's raw, but he's very different than, say, Sean Day. Miller doesn't depend on playmaking or splash plays, and is elite in the draft class at NZ and zone entry defense. Those skills translate pretty quickly to the NHL. He's really a lot like Marc Staal, who was in the NHL 2 years after being drafted and only played a dozen games in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 That's actually part of why I like his upside so much. Imagine how much more he can grow focusing exclusively on hockey. I agree that he's raw, but he's very different than, say, Sean Day. Miller doesn't depend on playmaking or splash plays, and is elite in the draft class at NZ and zone entry defense. Those skills translate pretty quickly to the NHL. He's really a lot like Marc Staal, who was in the NHL 2 years after being drafted and only played a dozen games in the AHL. i dont disagree with any of this, but therein lies my hesitation. He's got the size, can skate, and "he can bring the puck in the zone" so management throws him into the lineup, prematurely, when he has rounded out the rest of his game. I want to see him be a great hockey player with amazing athleticism. Not, an athlete playing hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Just kind of adding to the discussion, Miller's analytics (though USNDP vs. CHL is kind of tricky), are phenomenal. Per Mitch Brown... https://theathletic.com/398538/2018/06/20/brown-the-best-draft-eligible-defencemen-in-five-categories-tracked-by-the-chl-data-tracking-project/ If there’s one takeaway from this article, it’s that Ty Smith and K’Andre Miller are both excellent players. Of the nine different ways we evaluated the prospects, Ty Smith was top-four in five of them. Miller was top-two in six categories, including every measure of offence and the top player in neutral zone defence. Miller is an athlete first, but he seems to know how to use it already, and he's more productive offensively than he's getting credit for, based on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 i dont disagree with any of this, but therein lies my hesitation. He's got the size, can skate, and "he can bring the puck in the zone" so management throws him into the lineup, prematurely, when he has rounded out the rest of his game. I want to see him be a great hockey player with amazing athleticism. Not, an athlete playing hockey. He?s playing next season in college. They?ll probably re-evaluate him again afterwards regarding the future but nothing management or scouting has said about him indicates that they think he?s ready to compete yet or any time soon really. If I can say anything about this whole rebuild so far it?s that the team seems to be completely dedicated to making sure they?re doing it correctly. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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