Mike Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's not cheating. It's done to put the student-athlete in the best position to succeed academically, and athletically. As far as making it to the draft, your draft year is your draft year. You can't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Repeating 1st grade is a little different then doing it in high school. In 1st grade you can make the argument that you're holding him back for other reasons other than possible future athletic success. At that age it's kind of tough to determine if you have a future star player anyway. Shoot, we held my oldest back after kindergarten (June b-day) but this was more for social reasons than any possible athletic benefit. But now that we're on it, I hope I reap the benefits of it athletically lol. Right. I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate reasons for holding a kid back, or that holding a kid back means anything long-term. I think the issue is that parents are doing it for the athletic reasons, even, if they don't know if their kid is going to be a great athlete. The thought process is that, while they might only be an average athlete amongst kids their grade, given an extra year of growth, they could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Michael's birthday is mid December, so as far as hockey goes that would put him at a disadvantage. He's always the youngest on the team. 3 of his teammates turned 14 already, he was just 13 2 months ago. Being a goalie, his size and ability doesn't prevent him from competing at a high level with the best of them, but if he was born 2 weeks later he'd be a stud right now. By sophmore-senior years everything starts to even out. The advantage is a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjweimar Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Was this because of curriculum's not matching up or did your parents make you repeat that year? I was still on the smaller side at the time and wanted to be able to play one year of JV before going for Varsity, also wanted to use my first year to get used to living away from the family it was a 2.5 hour drive or something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's not cheating. It's done to put the student-athlete in the best position to succeed academically, and athletically. As far as making it to the draft, your draft year is your draft year. You can't change that. Yea, but I don't really think that the move is made for being drafted into the pros, you do that for a better shot at an athletic scholarship to college. Using lacrosse as an example, just because I'm more familiar with it...the greatest reward you can get from playing lacrosse is a college scholarship to a top school (Duke, Hopkins, UVA, etc.). Getting drafted into the pro leagues is nice, but that's really not going to give you any advantage in life, most of those guys hold full time jobs outside of the game. But when you get selected for travel teams that are organized by class (which I think is what needs to change), then you could be noticed by recruiters as a 16 year old playing against 14 year olds, potentially. That is a huge advantage when it comes to getting college scholarships, and the ramifications - really throughout the rest of your life - are tremendous. A 50k/year scholarship to Princeton is great...the job that Princeton will get you is even better. That's why kids are held back early, not to get drafted. That's probably a lot different than hockey, at least in some respects, but I'd imagine that, primarily, that's the focus, rather than getting to the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puck Head Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Hockey players don't ever get held back in high school like other sports. Hockey isn't dependent on that magical senior make or break year. Most hockey players are given scholarships do to performance on Jr teams or Midget AAA, both which are birth year dependent. No football is a different story. I think of my son as a example. He's the youngest freshman in his high school and i could have easily held him back a year. He's a 5'10" 220 freshman who received a few accolades on a roster of 120 players. If he was just now entering high school next year, he'd be getting a lot of attention. Funny how that works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 We have people holding 5 year Olds out of school for this reason. It's asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I guess they all read Malcolm Gladwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Yea... That part was in the article. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 The one thing that stood out to me in that article is that it's a 35k gamble. Insane the degree parents will go to these days. I have a buddy whose kid has had a personal pitching coach since he was 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 hahahaha.. yeah that's fuckin dumb. Well, unless he's a lefty, then it could be smart. What would he do at that age? If he's learning any kind of breaking ball he'll be on his second elbow ligament by age 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Flint Firebirds... again. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/2016/02/18/flint-firebirds-ontario-hockey-league/80555022/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I saw that this morning. 16 wins can warrant being fired though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 "The Firebirds, at their cost and under the direction of the league, also must provide counseling services for players." LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Final tournament of the year, and I'm the Director! What a mom fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Our last practice was Thursday, and I can't wait until tryouts are over in April. Need a break from the rink. #batflips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 No shit eh? What a marathon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 This is drama month now, straight through nationals and up till tryouts. More rumors than at the NHL trade deadline. Not even kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 I can imagine. The politics are bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 If I told you what was going on around us right now for next year, your fuckin head would spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 If I told you what was going on around us right now for next year, your fuckin head would spin. This is our first year being in a place that has a tier 1 program and I can't believe the drama that is taking place now. Five kids just left the team. The coach isn't coming back as the head coach. Major problems with the new guy. The stuff that I heard that was happening the whole season was ridiculous with the in-fighting, the parents not getting along, kids cursing out the coach...and this is with 10 year olds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 lol Parents are fucking retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 This is our first year being in a place that has a tier 1 program and I can't believe the drama that is taking place now. Five kids just left the team. The coach isn't coming back as the head coach. Major problems with the new guy. The stuff that I heard that was happening the whole season was ridiculous with the in-fighting, the parents not getting along, kids cursing out the coach...and this is with 10 year olds! You guys are leaving the AY, so that makes for a whole new animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 You guys are leaving the AY, so that makes for a whole new animal. Yeah, and that just compounds the other issues. I like the idea of the other league for the older kids but it doesn't make much sense for the younger guys. Unfortunately I don't think they had an option to stay in the AY with the younger guys once they committed to the other league with the older guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 The AY won't let any teams play in a rival league. There are teams that play in multiple leagues including the AY, but they're not a threat to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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