Pete Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 I'm finding it harder and hard to come to any conclusion other than "Gary refuses to accept defeat on this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share Posted February 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pete said: Stop, this is never going to happen. The NHL isn't going to justify a bad financial situation by literally firing dozens and dozens of people and voiding the guaranteed contracts of dozens more players and signed prospects. Relocation is screaming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phil said: Stop, this is never going to happen. The NHL isn't going to justify a bad financial situation by literally firing dozens and dozens of people and voiding the guaranteed contracts of dozens more players and signed prospects. Relocation is screaming here. Uhhhhh, they NHL has no issue furloughing people when they have a lockout, so they can spare us all "But the jobs!" No one keeps an NHL franchise around that is perpetually losing money, HRR, effecting the cap, because the mail room guy in cubicle 4C needs his benefits! As for the players, dispersal draft. Edited February 1, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 1, 2022 Share Posted February 1, 2022 Given a decent team and an arena in a decent location, this is a good market, which is one reason why Bettman has resisted a move. Hockey is quite popular, which why ASU has a team and why the Phoenix produced a guy named Austin Matthews (yes, I know he had to move as a teen for better competition). If every Minnesota transplant in Phoenix went to one game a year, they'd be sold out for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Pete said: Uhhhhh, they NHL has no issue furloughing people when they have a lockout, so they can spare us all "But the jobs!" No one keeps an NHL franchise around that is perpetually losing money, HRR, effecting the cap, because the mail room guy in cubicle 4C needs his benefits! As for the players, dispersal draft. Correct -- they relocate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Sod16 said: Given a decent team and an arena in a decent location, this is a good market, which is one reason why Bettman has resisted a move. Hockey is quite popular, which why ASU has a team and why the Phoenix produced a guy named Austin Matthews (yes, I know he had to move as a teen for better competition). If every Minnesota transplant in Phoenix went to one game a year, they'd be sold out for the season. Yes, but this is proving to be a major, major hurdle. You can't cling to this idea without an arena, and they don't have one, or even the hope of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Correct -- they relocate them. And most likely those people lose their jobs anyway. You think any office workers moved from Atlanta to Winnipeg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Pete said: And most likely those people lose their jobs anyway. You think any office workers moved from Atlanta to Winnipeg? It's possible. Trainers, and the like. Vendors, definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Phil said: Yes, but this is proving to be a major, major hurdle. You can't cling to this idea without an arena, and they don't have one, or even the hope of one. I agree that there needs to be a deadline for a definite, not theoretical, new arena and an acceptable plan for the interim. This is probably as good of a market as Dallas and Colorado, if handled properly. I know, big "if." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 54 minutes ago, Sod16 said: I agree that there needs to be a deadline for a definite, not theoretical, new arena and an acceptable plan for the interim. This is probably as good of a market as Dallas and Colorado, if handled properly. I know, big "if." No doubt. They were right to move there. The problem has been and continues to be the lack of a stable arena. People forget how often the Coyotes sold out when they were in downtown Phoenix. They were also good then. The old adage of if you build it they will come is doubly true here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Bettman has been pretending for decades that Arizona/Phoenix can work. But it hasn't. They've been burning money forever. Find a market that works and stop the bleeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I understand one great player coming from Arizona might suggest it's a good market. I don't agree, but sure, for the sake of discussion... Once you layer in "But not in Glendale"... It's over. There's nowhere else to go. Phoenix was the one and done, no longer an option. They've gotta go, or they gotta fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 2, 2022 Author Share Posted February 2, 2022 44 minutes ago, Pete said: I understand one great player coming from Arizona might suggest it's a good market. I don't agree, but sure, for the sake of discussion... Once you layer in "But not in Glendale"... It's over. There's nowhere else to go. Phoenix was the one and done, no longer an option. They've gotta go, or they gotta fold. Well, they want Tempe, but again, there is no arena. There's no plans for an arena. This is all hail mary strategy. It's time to relocate the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Just now, Phil said: Well, they want Tempe, but again, there is no arena. There's no plans for an arena. This is all hail mary strategy. It's time to relocate the team. That's exactly what I just said lol. Who cares about Tempe? There is no other viable option in Arizona besides Phoenix, and Phoenix is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 can Phoenix not be an option. I believe its been addressed that the Suns arena, specifically designed for basketball, isnt the best option. But like, its gotta be lightyears ahead of any other option. In the interest of avoiding the embarassment of a top league in the country playing top level pro games to minor league audiences, like literally give all the chips to the Phoenix suns to charge whatever they want to make it happen. Wanna play a fun college night game at ASU for publicity? student only game and make it a double header with the ASU team, get a raucus crowd and have a fun day of it? That would be fun. Playing 41 games there and probably still not selling out? flat out disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I've never been to the Glendale arena but I was there for a Giants Cardinals game. I know the arena had similar sightline issues like Barclays did for the Islanders. However, that whole area surrounding the arena and football stadium is so nice. Lots of bars and shops and restaurants. That has to be better than spending time in a college arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue Heaven Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Phil said: This is a f'n joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 12/9/2021 at 8:54 AM, siddious said: What a shit show This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaveByRichter35 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So this might actually happen. Wow. EL. OH. EL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Apparently that arena's capacity is... 5000 FUCKING LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Apparently this is ok by the league as Bettman is lauding it. My simply question is, "Who in Arizona has the compromising photos of Bettman and why can't he just claim they were doctored?" How is it that the league had to be prodded kicking and screaming into one or two years for the Islanders at the 13,000 seat Coliseum but an indefinite stay at a 5,000 arena is ok for the yotes? How is this team supposed to make the cap floor. Is the league going to make up for the giant losses? I wouldn't mind seeing an NHL game in a 5,000 seat arena. Obviously, the Canadiens will be moved from Montreal before Arizona is moved anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sod16 said: Apparently this is ok by the league as Bettman is lauding it. My simply question is, "Who in Arizona has the compromising photos of Bettman and why can't he just claim they were doctored?" How is it that the league had to be prodded kicking and screaming into one or two years for the Islanders at the 13,000 seat Coliseum but an indefinite stay at a 5,000 arena is ok for the yotes? How is this team supposed to make the cap floor. Is the league going to make up for the giant losses? I wouldn't mind seeing an NHL game in a 5,000 seat arena. Obviously, the Canadiens will be moved from Montreal before Arizona is moved anywhere. What NHL free agent is going to want to sign with Arizona for the next 3 seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Blue Heaven said: What NHL free agent is going to want to sign with Arizona for the next 3 seasons? The better question is... How does arena location change the first part of your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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