Ozzy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I still think Vasilevskiy , is always gonna be in the mix. That guy is a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Cr00zng said: Jarry played 38 games, won 24, winning % of 0.632. Shesty on the other hand played 29 games, winning % of 0.759. Unless staying healthy and play the majority of the regular season games is a criteria, Jarry cannot hold a candle to Shasty... If the staying healthy is part of the evaluation, Andersen with his winning % of 0.774 in 31 games runs circle around Jarry. Even Vasilevsky's winning % of 0.694 in 36 games would be a better finalist than Jarry in my view... Nothing against Jarry, he's a good goalie and if he improves his record, he could be one of the finalists... But it is a criteria to play games in the league. I'm not saying they are anywhere near the same level, but if Jarry is pushing 70 games pushing 45 wins or so he is going to get considered. Hr basically plays every game. Shesty doesn't. I never said it’s the ONLY criteria but games played and work load certainly is. So is strength and important to team. Carolina is a stacked team. Andersen will be a consideration as well. There is no way however that Andersen “runs circles around” Jarry. None of them really run circles around each other in the top goalie stats. Shesty probably would and still can if Gallant starts him in 90% of games for the rest of this season. I’m hoping he does and he continues this night after night. Jarry 36 starts 24-8-6 2.21 .925% 3 SO Shesterkin 28 starts 22-5-2 2.10 .937% 3 SO Andersen 30 starts 24-6-1 2.08 .927% 1 SO they are all right there with each other. Obviously Shesty has the better save % and is a much better goalie than either. He’s also more important to our success than Andersen is. Maybe Jarry but Pitt doesn’t exactly have a stellar defense and they had Mallon and Crosby both miss decent time. Edited February 10, 2022 by Keirik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr00zng Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Keirik said: But it is a criteria to play games in the league. I'm not saying they are anywhere near the same level, but if Jarry is pushing 70 games pushing 45 wins or so he is going to get considered. Hr basically plays every game. Shesty doesn't. I never said it’s the ONLY criteria but games played and work load certainly is. So is strength and important to team. Carolina is a stacked team. Andersen will be a consideration as well. There is no way however that Andersen “runs circles around” Jarry. None of them really run circles around each other in the top goalie stats. Shesty probably would and still can if Gallant starts him in 90% of games for the rest of this season. I’m hoping he does and he continues this night after night. Jarry 36 starts 24-8-6 2.21 .925% 3 SO Shesterkin 28 starts 22-5-2 2.10 .937% 3 SO Andersen 30 starts 24-6-1 2.08 .927% 1 SO they are all right there with each other. Obviously Shesty has the better save % and is a much better goalie than either. He’s also more important to our success than Andersen is. Maybe Jarry but Pitt doesn’t exactly have a stellar defense and they had Mallon and Crosby both miss decent time. Actually... Quote The Vezina Trophy is an annual award given "to the goalkeeper adjudged to be the best at this position" as voted by the general managers of all NHL clubs. The voting is conducted at the end of the regular season; each individual voter ranks the top three candidates on a 5-3-1 points system. Three finalists are named and the trophy is handed out at the NHL Awards after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Source.... How the GMs evaluate the goalies it's up to them, there are no established criteria, like winning, saving, etc. percentage, since 1981. Nor were the goalies evaluated prior to that. For me, the winning % had been criteria to rank them, where Anderson "runs circle around" everyone, including Shesty. Was this the right statistics to ranked them? Probably not, since the winning % is more of a team statistics, than goalie stat, despite Shesty "stealing games" all season long. One could also make an argument that the saving % is a team stats as well, or at the very least the Ds is certainly part of that stat. I agree that Shesty is better than either one of them, but consider the partiality in this statement. I am certain that the Pittsburgh, or Carolina fans place their goalie ahead of Shesty too and cannot blame them. If I recall correctly, the most games Shesty played in a full season is 45. Let's hope he'll be in 18 - 20 games in the remaining season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, Cr00zng said: Actually... Source.... How the GMs evaluate the goalies it's up to them, there are no established criteria, like winning, saving, etc. percentage, since 1981. Nor were the goalies evaluated prior to that. For me, the winning % had been criteria to rank them, where Anderson "runs circle around" everyone, including Shesty. Was this the right statistics to ranked them? Probably not, since the winning % is more of a team statistics, than goalie stat, despite Shesty "stealing games" all season long. One could also make an argument that the saving % is a team stats as well, or at the very least the Ds is certainly part of that stat. I agree that Shesty is better than either one of them, but consider the partiality in this statement. I am certain that the Pittsburgh, or Carolina fans place their goalie ahead of Shesty too and cannot blame them. If I recall correctly, the most games Shesty played in a full season is 45. Let's hope he'll be in 18 - 20 games in the remaining season... Come on. You're taking what in saying way too literal. It's not the Jennings. I'm not saying that. I don't need a source on what's qualified for awards like a vezina or Norris or hart. We all know that. However, those responsible for voting do take a totality and factor in statistics when making their decision. I thought that was pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I don’t know about the front runner, but if he’s not at the top of the list, he’s near it. Obviously it’s still early. Lots of games left to be played. But right now, it’s him, Markstrom, Vasilievskiy, Andersen, Jarry, and Saros. That’s your short list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr00zng Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 16 hours ago, Keirik said: Come on. You're taking what in saying way too literal. It's not the Jennings. I'm not saying that. I don't need a source on what's qualified for awards like a vezina or Norris or hart. We all know that. However, those responsible for voting do take a totality and factor in statistics when making their decision. I thought that was pretty obvious. Well, not everyone... While I knew about the awards, like Vezina, but didn't know about the process of awarding the trophy. It was news for me that the GMs vote for the winner and was surprised to see, that the evaluation criteria isn't well defined. In addition, some of the sites question the GMs voting, like this influenced my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Cr00zng said: Well, not everyone... While I knew about the awards, like Vezina, but didn't know about the process of awarding the trophy. It was news for me that the GMs vote for the winner and was surprised to see, that the evaluation criteria isn't well defined. In addition, some of the sites question the GMs voting, like this influenced my view. Sorry then. I just assumed it was common knowledge. There is the same problem often with the Hart trophy and even the Norris. In the end, they go off of statistic’s unofficially with subjective opinions sprinkled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr00zng Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Keirik said: Sorry then. I just assumed it was common knowledge. There is the same problem often with the Hart trophy and even the Norris. In the end, they go off of statistic’s unofficially with subjective opinions sprinkled in. No need to be sorry, my fault; you guy did teach me more about hockey, stats, etc., that I've ever knew. It's much appreciated.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RichieNextel305 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) At this point, he’s the one making the most noise across the NHL IMO. If you listen to podcasts or even NHL Network, a lot of the talk is about Shesterkin and not only the Vezina, but the Hart. No disrespect to other contenders who are having amazing years (like Andersen), but you’re not hearing as much noise around him as you do around Igor. At this point, barring any unforeseen injuries or a drop off, I do feel it’s his award to lose. Igors also doing this behind a worse team as far team defense goes than any of his competitors. Edited February 16, 2022 by RichieNextel305 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 *hart, not vezina. guy does it at all the right times too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, Valriera said: *hart, not vezina. guy does it at all the right times too Hart and Vezina!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Phil said: He's really their only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pete said: He's really their only hope. Obi-Wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Igor is a freaking beast, and I loved the quote after the game: Markstrom having a year aswell. 3rd in save%, 3rd in GAA and 1st in shutouts with 8(!), no one else have more than 4. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasRanger Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) [Feb 7]: Igor Shesterkin has completely taken over the Vezina Trophy race. Shesterkin’s odds have improved from +525 to +188, and is now the favorite to win the league’s best goaltender. https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/nhl/vezina-trophy-odds/ 2022 Vezina Trophy Odds Goalie Odds Igor Shesterkin (Rangers) +175 Andrei Vasilevskiy (Lightning) +550 Frederik Andersen (Hurricanes) +650 Jack Campbell (Maple Leafs) +800 Juuse Saros (Predators) +1200 Sergei Bobrovsky (Panthers) +1500 Jacob Markstrom (Flames) +2000 Tristan Jarry (Penguins) +2500 Jonathan Quick (Kings) +2900 Ville Husso (Blues) +2900 John Gibson (Ducks) +3000 Ilya Sorokin (Islanders) +3400 Connor Hellebuyck (Jets) +3500 Darcy Kuemper (Avalanche) +4000 Robin Lehner (Golden Knights) +4000 Thatcher Demko (Canucks) +5000 Marc-Andre Fleury (Blackhawks) +5000 Cam Talbot (Wild) +5000 Alex Nedeljkovic (Red Wings) +5000 Elvis Merzlikins (Blue Jackets) +5000 Edited February 20, 2022 by VegasRanger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Where’s Georgiev on that list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 It’s the hart trophy now and, in my opinion, I don’t know that there’s another player who deserves that. We always talk about the “in it to win it” clause and surely, with any one of those other goalies, the rangers would not even be in it or would be fighting for it. Is there anyone else who claims that? Nobody in the east, MAYBE mcdavid or draisaitl but shesty is at least up there with those guys for single most valuable. Numbers don’t lie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Another one goal game, another +1 for the hart trophy. At this point the vezina is an afterthought for this guy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Goalies are like the QBs of the NHL. QBs dominate MVP talk in the NFL yearly. How come goalies hardly ever get recognized for Hart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 He's up to a.939 SV%. Tim Thomas hold the record for highest SV% with 50+ starts at .938 in 57 GP. Dominik Hasek is next with a .937 in 66. I'm assuming Shesterkin starts another 25 games. There's tough competition down the stretch, but he might put up the best save percentage we've seen from a full on starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I hope he gets the recognition. He should be a hart finalist, and a vexina contender. But we know how these people vote. It’s not about a season, but everything else you’ve done, too. I think we got lucky with Fox winning the Norris. It even took Lundqvist way too long to win the vezina. hart McDavid or ovechkin norris Hedman Josi vezina vasy and brodeur For some reason, the voters can only look at one guy that doesn’t play in their hometown, and I hope it’s Shesterkin this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Rangers would be out of playoff picture without him. Without a doubt an MVP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Fuck, Shesty is the most dangerous without the pp these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Insane how the rangers went from a top 5 all time goalie to arguably/possibly an even better one (bold statement I know but Shesty has been incredible so far). One thing this franchise has seemed to always do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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