GDT 2021-22 NHL Trade Deadline: All in, Bay Bay!

[josh]

4 minutes ago, Valriera said:

I mean now, not in offseason

Selling really low. More bad asset management.

[Phil]

17 minutes ago, josh said:

Selling really low. More bad asset management.

 

I begrudgingly agree, but the devil's advocate argument is so easy here: one man's "selling low" is another man's "getting value while there's anything left to sell."

[Valriera]

I actually think you are selling high here because he’s still a guy with potential who is not earning much next contract. In some cases, that’s just as valuable as who he might turn into. In our case not so much because we need a third line and don’t have one.

[Valriera]

Put differently, he could be a guy who lights it up in 2.5m. Someone would be willing to gamble on that plus a couple picks for one of our targets if they’re still rebuilding.

[josh]

I'm not fucking acquiring picks. Why?? 

[Winter]

6 minutes ago, josh said:

I'm not fucking acquiring picks. Why?? 

Lmao why is anyone wanting these idiots in the FO to have more picks?

[LindG1000]

I think something we need to consider here is the current state of the market and how that impacts pricing. I hear a lot of us saying things like "we don't want to use all our chips this year" and things in that vein, and I think it's critical to call out a few things:

 

1 - The buyer/seller market is almost fully set in stone. Unless the Islanders go bananas with all their games in hand, the 8 East teams are locked in (on either side of the playoff line) and the West has 6 locked in, with a few others (Anaheim, SJ, LA) waiting for the games-in-hand to do them in. What that means is that the market is evenly balance between buyers and sellers - or pretty close to it. That's a buyer's market - prices drop.

 

2 - The cap. Oh, the cap. Let's look at the non-LTIR cap space all the playoff teams have right now:

 

• Vegas - 0
• Tampa - 0
• Dallas - 0
• Washington - 0
• Carolina - 0
• Pittsburgh - 0
• Florida - 88K
• Toronto - 185K (can add an ELC-ish player)
• St Louis - 63K
• Colorado - 73K
• Minnesota - 1.5M (here's the first team that can add a contract for a pick without cap shenanigans; they can add someone at a 6-ish million annual cap hit with little issue)
• Calgary - 1.5M
• Boston - 1.6M
• Rangers - 7.7M (this works out to "I can take on contracts of around 30M in total at the deadline")
• Nashville - 10.9M

The market for big swings without sending something equally big out is Rangers, Nashville, Minny, Calgary, Boston. 5 teams that can buy without selling something off, only two of which can make multiple serious moves. 

 

This is why you have so much of the twitterati screaming to go all in - we may not be "ready", but the cost to go in and try to be is likely to be small and the market is never going to be more favorable. 

 

 

 

[Valriera]

58 minutes ago, G1000 said:

I think something we need to consider here is the current state of the market and how that impacts pricing. I hear a lot of us saying things like "we don't want to use all our chips this year" and things in that vein, and I think it's critical to call out a few things:

 

1 - The buyer/seller market is almost fully set in stone. Unless the Islanders go bananas with all their games in hand, the 8 East teams are locked in (on either side of the playoff line) and the West has 6 locked in, with a few others (Anaheim, SJ, LA) waiting for the games-in-hand to do them in. What that means is that the market is evenly balance between buyers and sellers - or pretty close to it. That's a buyer's market - prices drop.

 

2 - The cap. Oh, the cap. Let's look at the non-LTIR cap space all the playoff teams have right now:

 

• Vegas - 0
• Tampa - 0
• Dallas - 0
• Washington - 0
• Carolina - 0
• Pittsburgh - 0
• Florida - 88K
• Toronto - 185K (can add an ELC-ish player)
• St Louis - 63K
• Colorado - 73K
• Minnesota - 1.5M (here's the first team that can add a contract for a pick without cap shenanigans; they can add someone at a 6-ish million annual cap hit with little issue)
• Calgary - 1.5M
• Boston - 1.6M
• Rangers - 7.7M (this works out to "I can take on contracts of around 30M in total at the deadline")
• Nashville - 10.9M

The market for big swings without sending something equally big out is Rangers, Nashville, Minny, Calgary, Boston. 5 teams that can buy without selling something off, only two of which can make multiple serious moves. 

 

This is why you have so much of the twitterati screaming to go all in - we may not be "ready", but the cost to go in and try to be is likely to be small and the market is never going to be more favorable. 

 

 

 

Yup good breakdown 

[Phil]

20 hours ago, josh said:

I'm not fucking acquiring picks. Why?? 

 

If he gets an offer sheet I take the picks, but if he's going in a trade it's for a player, not lottery tickets, 100%.

[Valriera]

5 hours ago, G1000 said:

I think something we need to consider here is the current state of the market and how that impacts pricing. I hear a lot of us saying things like "we don't want to use all our chips this year" and things in that vein, and I think it's critical to call out a few things:

 

1 - The buyer/seller market is almost fully set in stone. Unless the Islanders go bananas with all their games in hand, the 8 East teams are locked in (on either side of the playoff line) and the West has 6 locked in, with a few others (Anaheim, SJ, LA) waiting for the games-in-hand to do them in. What that means is that the market is evenly balance between buyers and sellers - or pretty close to it. That's a buyer's market - prices drop.

 

2 - The cap. Oh, the cap. Let's look at the non-LTIR cap space all the playoff teams have right now:

 

• Vegas - 0
• Tampa - 0
• Dallas - 0
• Washington - 0
• Carolina - 0
• Pittsburgh - 0
• Florida - 88K
• Toronto - 185K (can add an ELC-ish player)
• St Louis - 63K
• Colorado - 73K
• Minnesota - 1.5M (here's the first team that can add a contract for a pick without cap shenanigans; they can add someone at a 6-ish million annual cap hit with little issue)
• Calgary - 1.5M
• Boston - 1.6M
• Rangers - 7.7M (this works out to "I can take on contracts of around 30M in total at the deadline")
• Nashville - 10.9M

The market for big swings without sending something equally big out is Rangers, Nashville, Minny, Calgary, Boston. 5 teams that can buy without selling something off, only two of which can make multiple serious moves. 

 

This is why you have so much of the twitterati screaming to go all in - we may not be "ready", but the cost to go in and try to be is likely to be small and the market is never going to be more favorable. 

 

 

 

The other important thing here is not only that the buyers market is never going to be more favorable, but also we are never going to be able to get this much better while already being good again. It’s max max value to do it this year, even if it seems early. 

[Blue Heaven]

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Blue Heaven

[Phil]

Dope.

[Keirik]

Clearly offensive D is exactly what this team needs to fix their two holes in the top 9.

 

 

[Kevin]

1 hour ago, Phil said:

Dope.

Kravstov? Yes.

[Valriera]

Would prefer us go after forward holes first due to plenty of d depth but fine

[Phil]

10 minutes ago, Valriera said:

Would prefer us go after forward holes first due to plenty of d depth but fine

 

There's two months to go before the deadline. They've got plenty of time to find help there.

[Dunny]

Just raid, Arizona, then.

 

Chychrun/Kessel/Larsson

 

Kravtsov/Robertson-Jones/1st/2nd

 

Or

 

Kravtsov/Lundqvist

 

Maybe they like Garand. Maybe they don't.

 

I don't think I would deal Othmann or Cuylle, as we have nothing beyond them upfront.

[josh]

 

44 minutes ago, Dunny said:

Just raid, Arizona, then.

 

Chychrun/Kessel/Larsson

 

Kravtsov/Robertson-Jones/1st/2nd

 

Or

 

Kravtsov/Lundqvist

 

Maybe they like Garand. Maybe they don't.

 

I don't think I would deal Othmann or Cuylle, as we have nothing beyond them upfront.

I think this would be terrible.

[Dunny]

Hey, I'm open to anything. They're going to make a move at some point, and I don't see a ton of options

[josh]

Im not sure how anyone would Gove up assets for Chychrun.  He was "good" compared to how he's been playing this season. Last night he was constantly fumbling and losing the puck, scared to get hit in his own zone, and was losing his mark all night.

 

He's Nemeth.

[Pete]

54 minutes ago, josh said:

Im not sure how anyone would Gove up assets for Chychrun.  He was "good" compared to how he's been playing this season. Last night he was constantly fumbling and losing the puck, scared to get hit in his own zone, and was losing his mark all night.

 

He's Nemeth.

I don't blame anyone for mishandling the puck on MSG ice when they've hardly played there at all. 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Pete

[josh]

4 minutes ago, Pete said:

I don't blame anyone for mishandling the puck on MSG ice when they've hardly played there at all. 

Saving this. Haha

[josh]

I'd rather go for Smith/McNabb or Manson/Rackell 

 

 

Or Gio/center 

 

All cheaper to acquire via trade, and more likely a chance to keep Strome 

[Pete]

15 minutes ago, josh said:

Saving this. Haha

Make sure you capture "hardly played there at all" LOL.

 

Also, I don't want Chimmchurri.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Pete

[Bugg]

3 hours ago, Dunny said:

Just raid, Arizona, then.

 

Chychrun/Kessel/Larsson

 

Kravtsov/Robertson-Jones/1st/2nd

 

Or

 

Kravtsov/Lundqvist

 

Maybe they like Garand. Maybe they don't.

 

I don't think I would deal Othmann or Cuylle, as we have nothing beyond them upfront.

Larsson did not make friends last night. Though would not be the first time.