H-Dreamer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 With the time constraints of the show, and the fact that both were pretty ancillary to begin with, they had to be quick to move the storylines forward. I thought the show did a good job to move through those events quickly, rather than drag out stories that don't have anything to do with the main plots. Except there is one important catch: Who would follow Ramsay realistically speaking? Not even talking about Lords, but his own men. Of course he will have no problem, cause this is TV, but it's a bit weak anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Well, the Karstarks, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Yes the Karstarks, but only until they notice he doesn't have any men except them, then they can act alone anyway. :D Or so it would be, if he wasn't a comic book villain who will have men, cause he wouldn't be much of a villain without them. It's the same question that doomed Stannis: Who will follow a man who murders his own kin? An unpredictable madman too, who loves to torture and hunt down people for fun. Maybe we can argue that Karstark brought enough men to keep the Bolton men from revolting and derserting for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 It was a fantastic episode indeed, although I didn't love that two characters were brought up so quickly again and then offed. I think a big part of this was a set-up for an obvious future battle between the new lord at one place and one returning home in the other, who... have *cough* some history. Not sure I found the awakening particularly engrossing. It's fine they weren't there, but the ceremony... I mean. What happened? Some words? It was fire, and blood, and craziness. Now burning hair and some words wake someone up? Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Yes the Karstarks, but only until they notice he doesn't have any men except them, then they can act alone anyway. :D Or so it would be, if he wasn't a comic book villain who will have men, cause he wouldn't be much of a villain without them. It's the same question that doomed Stannis: Who will follow a man who murders his own kin? An unpredictable madman too, who loves to torture and hunt down people for fun. Maybe we can argue that Karstark brought enough men to keep the Bolton men from revolting and derserting for now. Who will follow a man who murders his own kin, an unpredictable madman who love to torture and hunt down people for fun? Plenty of people throughout human history. That's the nature of tyrannical dictators. Ruling through fear. Yes, sometimes they are disposed from within and sometimes from without. You're also talking about a people who's entire culture is grounded in the skinning of their enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Except there is one important catch: Who would follow Ramsay realistically speaking? Not even talking about Lords, but his own men. Of course he will have no problem, cause this is TV, but it's a bit weak anyway. I think the fact that he won't get any real followers is important in Ramsey getting his comeuppance. He'll inevitably fall, but I doubt the creators are going to give him a ton of power or anything that excuses all of his evil. Not having followers, and left entirely alone, would be fitting for his end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Who will follow a man who murders his own kin, an unpredictable madman who love to torture and hunt down people for fun? Plenty of people throughout human history. That's the nature of tyrannical dictators. Ruling through fear. Yes, sometimes they are disposed from within and sometimes from without. You're also talking about a people who's entire culture is grounded in the skinning of their enemies. Not easy ruling through fear, when your people have places to run to. ;) He will have a few followers as cruel as him, but most people followed his father not him. He doesn't have an established following even within the bannermen of the Boltons. Let alone the rest of the North. @Future That would be the logical end. For the record, I don't think it was a move Ramsay wouldn't do. It certainly fits his character as it was established. It just sets him on a pretty obvious path to doom, which feels a bit cheap, especially since his father was supposed to be the big bad antagonist, not Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddynyc Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 Good episode on Sunday like the Ramsey part the dude is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 4, 2016 Author Share Posted May 4, 2016 Episode 2 I love how fast they're advancing now that they're past GRRM's point in the books. Looks like we're getting R+L=J confirmation next week, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Wonder how GRRM is feeling about that. Amusingly I am currently reading a book he wrote in the 80s and the protagonist is a writer with writersblock who hates his agent for reminding him of his deadlines. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddynyc Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Wonder how GRRM is feeling about that. Amusingly I am currently reading a book he wrote in the 80s and the protagonist is a writer with writersblock who hates his agent for reminding him of his deadlines. :rofl: Any date on his new book and wonder how inline will his book be with the show ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 this might have been my favorite episode since the red wedding. felt like the episode was 20 min given how engrossing it was. Give me more Tyrion and Varys. I propose a bunch of hope / Crosby road to morocco remakes after this. More won won the giant... that was priceless the way he offed the archer Sansa heading to the wall and rightly so. lannisters growing there balls back. Jaime wont be that careless being out gunned by the faith again love how there handling the 3 eyed raven story line. no sam / gilly plot yet. hope they get a year off. where the hell is little finger? see ya roose.... you had it coming resurrection was well done. more ghost please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Tyrion is cranking out the one liners. While it's funny, I'm hoping it's not a constant thing, where he becomes some sort of comedy side show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Tyrion is cranking out the one liners. While it's funny, I'm hoping it's not a constant thing, where he becomes some sort of comedy side show. He has had great lines and funny comments since the first book/episode. I see what your concern is now that the show is new territory so to say but I doubt it becomes an issue. That "that's what I do.. Know things and drink wine" line was great lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 He has had great lines and funny comments since the first book/episode. I see what your concern is now that the show is new territory so to say but I doubt it becomes an issue. That "that's what I do.. Know things and drink wine" line was great lol He's comic relief while being the smartest guy in the room. I think he's a very well drawn character. One of the best on the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 9, 2016 Author Share Posted May 9, 2016 Damn, they're plowing though this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Aside from Tyrion still being on the sidelines and the slow drag of Danys storyline, another good episode. (well and of course everyones least favorite couple is a downer too, as always) Can we skip to the part in Danys life, when her dragons arrive and she leads the united Dothraki as their new Khaleesi of all Khaleesi? But yeah, breaks are off, we're on fast track towards the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Question from last nights episode: What was "A Girl" inhaling? And what was she mixing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Question from last nights episode: What was "A Girl" inhaling? And what was she mixing? Idk, I don't think it really matters. The point was that she was learning to "see" without the use of her eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 One Nation. Under God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 With regard to Arya's learning to "see": Wonder why they cut out the bit about her also being a warg. She sort of "cheats" in the books, and uses the sight of animals around her to learn to fight blind. I guess they wanted to hammer home how much of an actual badass she's becoming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 One Nation. Under God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 More importantly: How about them Umbers also betraying the Starks. Kind of surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-Dreamer Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 So were still at killing off minor characters, but at least now the major things start to move. And look at that, 1 1/2 Stark reuniting and they even plan on stopping to be victims :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 Grand Northern Conspiracy is true, IMO. The more I've read the recent articles/blogs detailing the evidence, the more I'm convinced Rickon's return is entirely staged by SmallJon Umber and the North who are going to attempt to restore a Stark to the Northern houses. If that's Sansa or Jon, I'm not sure, because R+L=J is probably also true... so how "Stark" is he, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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