LindG1000 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I just don't think he's what we need, G. He's very talented, sure, but we have plenty of talent. We need a "different breed" in my opinion. I still think we're closer to being a force than a lot of people think.... ...and it should be a lot easier to buy/trade for 3 bottom 6 players that can play up and down the lineup. But the book on Eichel for me is closed....I'd rather have Zibby/Strome as #1/#2....but we need to get Zibby locked up...Strome too, eventually! I'm with you here. The gamble, so to speak, is that Eichel is suppressed enough by being in Buffalo that giving him better players around him would push his production up toward Panarin-esque levels. That's a big ass gamble. Maybe it pays off - shit, if Ryan Strome can be a point a game guy with Panarin, what's Eichel? Ginger Mario Lemueix? - but the most likely outcome is that Eiclel continues to be a point per game player and has one or two years where he pushes higher. He doesn't solve a problem - he's not a shoot-first guy, he's not a big body, he's not a "been there before team leader" type. Guy doesn't win faceoffs at the clip we'd want either. He solves a problem that doesn't really exist - or at least only exists in the mind of Strome doubters. I just can't bring myself to make this deal when we've already got a guy doing what we HOPE Eichel does. It seems like absolutely ass-backward management. Put another way - a much cheaper version of this deal - just the 1st and a prospect - got Winnipeg to deal us a 40 point defender. It's gotten 25 year old high-quality centers shipped to LA and Columbus. We need a mid-six C with size that can win faceoffs, be defensively responsible, and thinks to shoot first - Eichel isn't that. At all. Aim lower, make a different deal for the right player. Or, do this exact deal for Brayden Point and at least hit on one of the real needs we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If they go Eichel-Danault ( any combo of Eichel, Zibanejad, Strome, Chytil hasn’t addressed the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I'm with you here. The gamble, so to speak, is that Eichel is suppressed enough by being in Buffalo that giving him better players around him would push his production up toward Panarin-esque levels. That's a big ass gamble. Maybe it pays off - shit, if Ryan Strome can be a point a game guy with Panarin, what's Eichel? Ginger Mario Lemueix? - but the most likely outcome is that Eiclel continues to be a point per game player and has one or two years where he pushes higher. He doesn't solve a problem - he's not a shoot-first guy, he's not a big body, he's not a "been there before team leader" type. Guy doesn't win faceoffs at the clip we'd want either. He solves a problem that doesn't really exist - or at least only exists in the mind of Strome doubters. I just can't bring myself to make this deal when we've already got a guy doing what we HOPE Eichel does. It seems like absolutely ass-backward management. Put another way - a much cheaper version of this deal - just the 1st and a prospect - got Winnipeg to deal us a 40 point defender. It's gotten 25 year old high-quality centers shipped to LA and Columbus. We need a mid-six C with size that can win faceoffs, be defensively responsible, and thinks to shoot first - Eichel isn't that. At all. Aim lower, make a different deal for the right player. Or, do this exact deal for Brayden Point and at least hit on one of the real needs we have. Yeah G, we're on the same page for sure, man! I'd love a younger prototype of a Getzlaf.... Point is an arbitration eligible RFA I think, so I'm not sure we can get him so easily, but he helps solve a problem...absolutely! I still want a Matt Martin/Ryan Reaves type too though....I've seen these kids take too much shit. Gallant won't stand for that either, I'm sure...not the way he used to babysit for Stevie Y. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Yeah G, we're on the same page for sure, man! I'd love a younger prototype of a Getzlaf.... Point is an arbitration eligible RFA I think, so I'm not sure we can get him so easily, but he helps solve a problem...absolutely! I still want a Matt Martin/Ryan Reaves type too though....I've seen these kids take too much shit. Gallant won't stand for that either, I'm sure...not the way he used to babysit for Stevie Y. ;) Honestly, they just don't make centers like Getzlaf anymore. Here and there you'll see one (Byfield comes to mind), but the "modern" center is 2 inches shorter and 20lbs lighter - minimum. The aforementioned Point is 5'10 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Honestly, they just don't make centers like Getzlaf anymore. Here and there you'll see one (Byfield comes to mind), but the "modern" center is 2 inches shorter and 20lbs lighter - minimum. The aforementioned Point is 5'10 180. Yeah but his will, and determination is 6' 8" and 245 lbs!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 If they go Eichel-Danault ( any combo of Eichel, Zibanejad, Strome, Chytil hasn’t addressed the issue. If you move Zibanejad to wing after dealing a Buch or Kravstov for Eichel, then backfill on the 3rd line center with Danault or someone cheaper, I think it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 If you move Zibanejad to wing after dealing a Buch or Kravstov for Eichel, then backfill on the 3rd line center with Danault or someone cheaper, I think it makes sense. I don't understand why you move Zibanejad to wing. Even if he plays wing, you want his shot facing the net and you want him comfortable; he'd play LW. Doesn't make sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 If you move Zibanejad to wing after dealing a Buch or Kravstov for Eichel, then backfill on the 3rd line center with Danault or someone cheaper, I think it makes sense. Mika is a top center in the world, in the prime of his career. They’re not moving him to wing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 If he floats like he did last year, his new position will be left press box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 If he floats like he did last year, his new position will be left press box. Lol, he didn'tfloat. He just forgot how to shoot and stick handle for half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 If he floats like he did last year, his new position will be left press box. Floats? Mika scored three hat tricks in half a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I don't understand why you move Zibanejad to wing. Even if he plays wing, you want his shot facing the net and you want him comfortable; he'd play LW. Doesn't make sense. He played most of his time in Ottawa as a right wing. Started HERE as a wing.. LW, RW, doesn't really matter. Not sure why everyone thinks every righty shot needs to play the off wing, but every left wing we have is lefty... Some all time great RWs wete righty shots. Selanne, Hull, Gartner, Howe, Bossy Lafleur..... where you line up doesn't always dictate where you wind up on the ice. You move him to wing, because you don't want to get rid of him and you need to find a spot to utilize his skills on the top lines. If you bring in Eichel Zibanejad as a center is redundant. More of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Floats? Mika scored three hat tricks in half a season. “Covid Mika” was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 “Covid Mika” was terrible. I fully believe had they had regular Mika all season long they would have been in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I fully believe had they had regular Mika all season long they would have been in the playoffs. Considering how many games ended up decided by one goal that's probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 “Covid Mika” was terrible. Ah, so you do know the situation then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 COVID Mika was awful.. what was more awful is there was no better alternative than COVID Mika. I'm not holding the 1st half against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 COVID Mika was awful.. what was more awful is there was no better alternative than COVID Mika. I'm not holding the 1st half against him. Strome played great and Chytil got hurt. Not sure what team can fill 2 top 9 center spot for that long from their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 COVID Mika was awful.. what was more awful is there was no better alternative than COVID Mika. I'm not holding the 1st half against him. Limiting his ice time would have been a no brained. Removing him from PP 1 was also obvious. Not about sitting him all the time, but he should have lost PP time, even strength time, and probably should have been sat for a period or 2 on multiple occasions. Those first several weeks were awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Strome played great and Chytil got hurt. Not sure what team can fill 2 top 9 center spot for that long from their system. Just reallocating the time in ice: Strome - Zibanejad - Chytil - Blackwell - Howden - Rooney - Barron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Just reallocating the time in ice: Strome - Zibanejad - Chytil - Blackwell - Howden - Rooney - Barron First half of the season Zib played 19:47 per game. Strome 18:25. Chytil only played in 11 of those 26 games, 14-15 minutes. In the time Chytil missed, Rooney played ~14 minutes. Howden played 13 minutes. As bad as Zib was, you're not gaining anything by playing him 6 minutes less and giving Strome +1, Rooney +3, and Howden +2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Limiting his ice time would have been a no brained. Removing him from PP 1 was also obvious. Not about sitting him all the time, but he should have lost PP time, even strength time, and probably should have been sat for a period or 2 on multiple occasions. Those first several weeks were awful. Difference in philosophy. Some would limit the ice time, some would try and play the covid out of Zibby. Quinn tried the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 First half of the season Zib played 19:47 per game. Strome 18:25. Chytil only played in 11 of those 26 games, 14-15 minutes. In the time Chytil missed, Rooney played ~14 minutes. Howden played 13 minutes. As bad as Zib was, you're not gaining anything by playing him 6 minutes less and giving Strome +1, Rooney +3, and Howden +2. they would have gained by not playing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 No, a team needs their number one center performing in order to be successful. Zib needed to play his way out of it, sitting him was never the right answer. Especially not on the power play, I would have considered the PK because those are tougher minutes. Sitting him, taking him off the power play, does nothing to help him get his game back. I can see how benching and underperforming player would give fans some satisfaction, but it doesn't actually make the team any better. It's not like this is a Kreider situation where you have Lafreniere waiting. There was nobody to step into this role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 they would have gained by not playing him. That’s not necessarily true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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