RichieNextel305 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Would someone with The Athletic care to quote some of the article? I was able to see a quick peak at the article, in which it says that word around ASG Weekend was that the Rangers had reached out to the Ducks to inquire about Vatranos availability. Edited February 5 by RichieNextel305 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Quote Word around All-Star Weekend was that the Rangers had inquired about Vatrano, who served them well two seasons ago as a deadline rental. Quote Acquiring Vatrano would, in theory, solve that issue for the rest of this season and through 2024-25 at a reasonable cap number ($3.65 million), so Drury could stop the constant search. Quote Even though the Vancouver Canucks and Winnipeg Jets surrendered their 2024 first-rounders for Lindholm and Monahan, it’s unlikely Drury would be willing to part with the Rangers’ first pick for Vatrano or Henrique. For both, though, you’d have to surrender the first and then some. Would it be as much as a first and Kakko, whom TSN reported as possibly being on the market ahead of the deadline? That feels like an overpay for a pending UFA in Henrique and one more year of Vatrano. Moving Kakko also diminishes the third line the Rangers are hoping to beef up with Henrique, which might not make much sense. https://theathletic.com/5250447/2024/02/05/rangers-ducks-trade-vatrano-henrique/?source=emp_shared_article 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) Never mind Phil beat me to it Edited February 5 by siddious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 Dealing Kakko in this deal would make little to no sense. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, at least in terms of the 3rd line. We have a hole at 3C that acquiring Henrique would fix, but dealing Kakko would also open a hole on one of the wings that we can’t fix in-house. I get that acquiring Vatrano also would be a get, and that you need to pay to acquire talent in this league. But I’m not interested in creating more big holes in the lineup, even if others are fixed. I get that Kakko isn’t everyone’s flavor of the week, rightfully so. But I’d be intrigued by a Cuylle-Henrique-Kakko trio, especially if Vatrano can come back and find that spark with Kreider and Zibanejad again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: Dealing Kakko in this deal would make little to no sense. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, at least in terms of the 3rd line. We have a hole at 3C that acquiring Henrique would fix, but dealing Kakko would also open a hole on one of the wings that we can’t fix in-house. I get that acquiring Vatrano also would be a get, and that you need to pay to acquire talent in this league. But I’m not interested in creating more big holes in the lineup, even if others are fixed. I get that Kakko isn’t everyone’s flavor of the week, rightfully so. But I’d be intrigued by a Cuylle-Henrique-Kakko trio, especially if Vatrano can come back and find that spark with Kreider and Zibanejad again. I am fully on board moving Kakko if the right deal comes along. But you are are right and I dont think this is that deal. Move kakko in the off season. Move picks and another prospect if need be in this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Zac Jones should be going the other way. The Ducks have zero offensive defenseman behind Fowler after trading Drysdale. Jones and some picks should get it done. I'd be OK throwing in a Sykora/Berard level prospect. Cuylle, Othmann, Perrault should be off the table in any deal for Vatrano and Henrique. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Zac Jones should be going the other way. The Ducks have zero offensive defenseman behind Fowler after trading Drysdale. Jones and some picks should get it done. I'd be OK throwing in a Sykora/Berard level prospect. Cuylle, Othmann, Perrault should be off the table in any deal for Vatrano and Henrique. I'm on board with this. I'm not moving Kakko either....We need a RW...giving up one right now isn't really a fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Zac Jones should be going the other way. The Ducks have zero offensive defenseman behind Fowler after trading Drysdale. Jones and some picks should get it done. I'd be OK throwing in a Sykora/Berard level prospect. Cuylle, Othmann, Perrault should be off the table in any deal for Vatrano and Henrique. Zellweger is most definitely their offensive defenseman of future, and Mintyukov is there with him. Not sure they really have so much use for Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Pete said: Zac Jones should be going the other way. The Ducks have zero offensive defenseman behind Fowler after trading Drysdale. Jones and some picks should get it done. I'd be OK throwing in a Sykora/Berard level prospect. Cuylle, Othmann, Perrault should be off the table in any deal for Vatrano and Henrique. I agree. Sykora or Berard would be tough to give up but I think I would be okay with it in this deal. Vatrano would be here next year on a fair AAV. It would (hopefully) give some silence to the revolving door up on the top line. And it would add some punch for now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDanger Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: Dealing Kakko in this deal would make little to no sense. It’s robbing Peter to pay Paul, at least in terms of the 3rd line. We have a hole at 3C that acquiring Henrique would fix, but dealing Kakko would also open a hole on one of the wings that we can’t fix in-house. I get that acquiring Vatrano also would be a get, and that you need to pay to acquire talent in this league. But I’m not interested in creating more big holes in the lineup, even if others are fixed. I get that Kakko isn’t everyone’s flavor of the week, rightfully so. But I’d be intrigued by a Cuylle-Henrique-Kakko trio, especially if Vatrano can come back and find that spark with Kreider and Zibanejad again. Agreed. As much as I'm not totally sold on Henrique, I'm interested in seeing that 3rd line together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, RangerDanger said: Agreed. As much as I'm not totally sold on Henrique, I'm interested in seeing that 3rd line together. depends what it costs to get him. hes certainly an upgrade of brodzinski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 Just now, RangerDanger said: Agreed. As much as I'm not totally sold on Henrique, I'm interested in seeing that 3rd line together. I’m in same boat. Would I like a bigger body who plays a more grinding style? Yes I would. But Henrique brings scoring punch to a 3rd line currently floating out minor league fodder in Brodzinski. I think having him center Cuylle and Kakko could be interesting. All 3 can finish, one winger has size, one is good defensively. I feel like they all collectively bring some strengths to the table which would be interesting as a 3rd line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: Zellweger is most definitely their offensive defenseman of future, and Mintyukov is there with him. Not sure they really have so much use for Jones. They definitely do. Prospects don't always pan out and Fowler won't be there forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) I'm really looking forward to having Vatrano back. I really liked his game when he was here. Not to mention getting Cuylle a true 3C that can help him out as well! I have a feeling Drury is going to make a very good deal here and not spend the future. Edited February 5 by Ozzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, RichieNextel305 said: I agree. Sykora or Berard would be tough to give up but I think I would be okay with it in this deal. Vatrano would be here next year on a fair AAV. It would (hopefully) give some silence to the revolving door up on the top line. And it would add some punch for now too. I don't think either of those players have an irreplaceable skill set. Fans always get excited by these little guys that are supposed to be shit disturbers with motors that never stop, but how many of them ever pan out? Especially the smaller ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 I’m not moving Berard or Sykora. Team speed is an issue that extends across the organization and I’m not trading the two fastest prospects on the team who are close to NHL graduation. I get there’s a price to winning, but this isn’t the deal that’s really worth it to the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Just now, Drew a Penalty said: I’m not moving Berard or Sykora. Team speed is an issue that extends across the organization and I’m not trading the two fastest prospects on the team who are close to NHL graduation. I get there’s a price to winning, but this isn’t the deal that’s really worth it to the Rangers. Sorry but guys who are fast and literally nothing else are not hard to replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Pete said: They definitely do. Prospects don't always pan out and Fowler won't be there forever. Mintyukov has been there this season and is just injured. I’m pretty sure he’s what gave convinced them they’d be alright trading Drysdale. Zellweger is up and playing on their first pair now. I don’t think they need Jones that badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Pete said: Sorry but guys who are fast and literally nothing else are not hard to replace. I dunno we are still reeling from losing Gauthier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Pete said: Sorry but guys who are fast and literally nothing else are not hard to replace. Except they’re not “nothing else.” What a short-sighted comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, siddious said: I dunno we are still reeling from losing Gauthier Too soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Get both of them if you can, but I would love Frankie V back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: Except they’re not “nothing else.” What a short-sighted comment. They both project to be bottom six forwards and they're tiny. The Rangers don't have picks. They're going to have to give something up to get these players. If your solution is just not to make a trade because you don't want to give up these guys, then that's not a solution. They clearly have holes to fill today. This fanbase has a habit of overvaluing and falling in love with dime a dozen players. There's nothing special about these guys that can't be replaced. I'm not saying to trade both of them, but saying you wouldn't trade either of them is pretty ridiculous. Edited February 5 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Fully preparing myself for Perreault/1st/3rd for Henrique/Vatrano (50% retained on both) because Drury sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Fully preparing myself for Perreault/1st/3rd for Henrique/Vatrano (50% retained on both) because Drury sucks. He has literally never overpaid in a trade, outside of Buch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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