RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Yes. He’s at an age where the odds are likely he declines. There’s a gap the size of Mike Tyson’s front teeth between ROR and Goodrow though, so he can decline a healthy amount and still be a better option. A cap diff of $900k isn’t that much. I don’t really want to go to bat for it. I just wouldn’t rule it out as a legitimate option. That’s where I’m at too. Im not hung ho about it. But I totally agree that he’s still a great player and it’s something at least to look at But it’s still just a talking point to me I drew the line between him and Goodrow only because of the money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 The Rangers don't need expensive 30-somethings right now. They've got a bunch of those. They need to promote from within and let the kids grow into the structure. We're not that far away from age-related declines in a few important players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Br4d said: The Rangers don't need expensive 30-somethings right now. They've got a bunch of those. They need to promote from within and let the kids grow into the structure. We're not that far away from age-related declines in a few important players. They’re going to need and want a vet or two But it’s safer to get a rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Br4d said: The Rangers don't need expensive 30-somethings right now. They've got a bunch of those. They need to promote from within and let the kids grow into the structure. We're not that far away from age-related declines in a few important players. For the playoffs? Definitely not. They'll get guys who can help now. Most of their kids need time to grow in the AHL this year. Cuylle really was the only option. He was a full year ahead of Othmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phil said: For the playoffs? Definitely not. They'll get guys who can help now. Most of their kids need time to grow in the AHL this year. Cuylle really was the only option. He was a full year ahead of Othmann. This is why the Rangers are always competitive and never win a cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phil said: For the playoffs? Definitely not. They'll get guys who can help now. Most of their kids need time to grow in the AHL this year. Cuylle really was the only option. He was a full year ahead of Othmann. They’ll go the route of a couple of vets. As they should. Like every other team at the deadline, they’ll be shopping for veteran depth on D for certain. A Justin Braun-type or whatever. And they’ll probably be looking for a forward with some versatility and/or scoring punch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Br4d said: This is why the Rangers are always competitive and never win a cup. If they're adding any more kids this year, it'll be before the deadline, not at it. What team has ever promoted players instead of making a trade for sure-fire NHL players and won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: They’ll go the route of a couple of vets. As they should. Like every other team at the deadline, they’ll be shopping for veteran depth on D for certain. A Justin Braun-type or whatever. And they’ll probably be looking for a forward with some versatility and/or scoring punch. Exactly, and very likely no one who will stand in the way of any of the kids we're hoping will take jobs as soon as next year. Guys like Othmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Deadline deals are the GM's chance to play Fantasy Hockey GM. The way the Rangers do it, never making the deals with any intent to re-sign the players, is the worst kind of Fantasy GM. Seriously, if Tarasenko and Kane led to one and out with the Devils what is the chance that any deadline deal is really going to improve the team when it comes to crunch time? The 21-22 deals were effective - against teams playing backup goalies in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phil said: Exactly, and very likely no one who will stand in the way of any of the kids we're hoping will take jobs as soon as next year. Guys like Othmann. Yeah, but if they acquired a forward with some term, it doesn’t necessarily block Othmann. Rosters change and a piece or two can move on, so it shouldn’t stop them from getting a guy that can help if it’s the right guy at the right price. It’s not a static thing. And Drury is smart and seeks to have a good handle on things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, Br4d said: This is why the Rangers are always competitive and never win a cup. I think you're going to have to clarify what you mean by this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Br4d said: Deadline deals are the GM's chance to play Fantasy Hockey GM. The way the Rangers do it, never making the deals with any intent to re-sign the players, is the worst kind of Fantasy GM. Seriously, if Tarasenko and Kane led to one and out with the Devils what is the chance that any deadline deal is really going to improve the team when it comes to crunch time? The 21-22 deals were effective - against teams playing backup goalies in the playoffs. It’s easy to look back in the rear view mirror and say the Rangers shouldn’t have made those deals last year. But the simple fact of the matter is there isn’t a GM in the sport who wouldn’t have done exactly what Drury did in either situation. He got Tarasenko for next to nothing with 50% retained and got Kane for literally nothing while only being on the hook for 25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Keirik said: I think you're going to have to clarify what you mean by this The Rangers always seem to be built to win a round or three in the playoffs and then depart gracefully when a more coherent team shows up. This was true in the Lundqvist years and it is true today. The franchise never has operated on the principle of draft well, develop your players, acquire some long-term vets (meaning acquire them and *keep* them) and prosper. This is the model most cup winners adopt Even the cup winner in '94 was mainly built around players the Rangers traded for or signed as vet FA's. It's like the franchise is playing a constant game of Lotto and when we get lucky they maybe get to the 3rd round but there's always a better team waiting for us somewhere in the playoffs and then we go down. What I'm trying to say is the Rangers model for winning only wins big when you get the biggest players and keep them. This rental boolsheet is for the birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Last year's team was up 2-0 against the MIGHTY NJ Devils....who got trounced by a Carolina team we handled pretty well during the season. I'm still going with, "If we had Lavvy back there, we're probably still hung over from the parade"! That team was pretty awesome. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Last year's team was up 2-0 against the MIGHTY NJ Devils....who got trounced by a Carolina team we handled pretty well during the season. I'm still going with, "If we had Lavvy back there, we're probably still hung over from the parade"! That team was pretty awesome. It’s a series that a great coach wins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I'll eat a fuckin hat if this team gets ROR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, phillyb said: I'll eat a fuckin hat if this team gets ROR. He’s a risky proposition though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Br4d said: Deadline deals are the GM's chance to play Fantasy Hockey GM. The way the Rangers do it, never making the deals with any intent to re-sign the players, is the worst kind of Fantasy GM. Seriously, if Tarasenko and Kane led to one and out with the Devils what is the chance that any deadline deal is really going to improve the team when it comes to crunch time? The 21-22 deals were effective - against teams playing backup goalies in the playoffs. Nothing under GG matters now. Forget what you thought you knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Let's pretend it's free agency next summer for a minute. Assuming there's good faith that the team will be a serious contender next season, I don't think anyone would be upset if this team added a strong, veteran C/W on a 3 year contract w/o trade protection at 4.5 per. This isn't about blocking youth. It's about Lafreniere being the only legitimate RW on the team. There's plenty of space on that right side. Edited November 13, 2023 by BrooksBurner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, phillyb said: I'll eat a fuckin hat if this team gets ROR. ...Ryan O'Reilly? He just signed a long-term deal in Nashville. I'd happily dump Chytil for him, but fat chance this ever happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Br4d said: This is why the Rangers are always competitive and never win a cup. Remind me again the moves the Rangers made to win their last cup? Pretty sure it was significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, Cash or Czech said: Remind me again the moves the Rangers made to win their last cup? Pretty sure it was significant. Matteau Noonan Larmer Tikannen MacTavish Anderson I think that's all of them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Matteau Noonan Larmer Tikannen MacTavish Anderson I think that's all of them.... Lidster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: ...Ryan O'Reilly? He just signed a long-term deal in Nashville. I'd happily dump Chytil for him, but fat chance this ever happens. Ew. Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: Let's pretend it's free agency next summer for a minute. Assuming there's good faith that the team will be a serious contender next season, I don't think anyone would be upset if this team added a strong, veteran C/W on a 3 year contract w/o trade protection at 4.5 per. This isn't about blocking youth. It's about Lafreniere being the only legitimate RW on the team. There's plenty of space on that right side. But that's taking it in an extreme vacuum. ROR isn't a winger. He's a center that plays wing at times. He's also someone that plays over 20 minutes per game. Plus we have a Trocheck on this team who I would consider is our "version" of ROR. If we signed a 33 year old high mileage center to 4m+ until he's 36 with the idea of him playing out of position, I'm sure plenty would be scratching their heads. We did with the cheaper Goodrow but we understood it as helping this team learn how to compete for a cup. We don't need that right now. We have plenty of leaders. We have guys that have won including our head coach. What we need are a couple of guys to round out the jagged pieces, not another round peg. Just my opinion at least. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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