Phil Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Surpassed Andy Bathgate with his 273rd goal last game. Adam Graves currently sits third with 280 — a total Kreider will probably pass this season. Jean Ratelle (336) and Rod Gilbert (406) are second and first, respectively. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Amazing really that we only have one player over 400 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Wow. And all he gets is shit on in here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 6, 2023 Author Share Posted November 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, The Dude said: Wow. And all he gets is shit on in here. Not by me. Love that dude. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 If he showed up more often, he'd have 500 goals easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Pete said: If he showed up more often, he'd have 500 goals easily. And if he had 500, you'd be saying if he showed up more often he'd have 700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Sod16 said: And if he had 500, you'd be saying if he showed up more often he'd have 700. If he got 500 by showing up half the time, like he does now, then yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Valriera said: Amazing really that we only have one player over 400 lol The Rangers modus operandi for decades now is to acquire proven vet scorers *and build the team around them*. That's why we have nobody with more than 406 goals. The proven vets score some when they get here but they also retire maybe 5-6 seasons later and that's not enough time to score a large amount of goals. Edit: They're also generally beginning the decline phase of their career when they arrive. Edited November 6, 2023 by Br4d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Wonder who ends up with more goals for a career, Ziby or Kreids? A lot closer than I would have thought. Kreider 32 years old, 744 games, 273 goals Zibanejad 30 years old, 778 games, 270 goals both have birthdays in April. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I think he ends up in 2nd when all Is said and done. for a team that’s been around as long as the rangers that’s a sad sad list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I thought for awhile that maybe Zibanejad could pass Gilbert, but it could very well be Kreider. Them not really having a super elite goal scorer in their history isn't too surprising. Like someone said, they acquire them when they are veterans. It also doesn't help they suck at drafting and developing elite offensive forwards. 406 goals is nothing to sneeze at, but you'll never see the Rangers have that Ovechkin sniper type or a Malkin or a Crosby. It just won't happen here. Rangers offense is usually just good enough, while relying on great goaltending, which they have been blessed with in their history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Schedule was 70 games for Gilbert's first five years. Kreider has missed more due to injury and lost one full year due to lockout, another half season due to a lockout, and another half season due to COVID. While he's had Zib in the latter part of his career, he has not had a Ratelle long term as Gilbert did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 With the talk of the Rangers acquiring talent late, I started to wonder what the rest of the franchises looked like. Not including Seattle, here’s a list of the 31 other teams and their goal leaders - https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-the-all-time-goal-leader-for-all-31-nhl-teams Gilbert with 406 is 22nd on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leetchy2 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 So does Kreider's jersey get raised to the rafters and the number retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 hours ago, phillyb said: With the talk of the Rangers acquiring talent late, I started to wonder what the rest of the franchises looked like. Not including Seattle, here’s a list of the 31 other teams and their goal leaders - https://thehockeynews.com/news/franchise-leaders-the-all-time-goal-leader-for-all-31-nhl-teams Gilbert with 406 is 22nd on the list. Rangers are last of the original 6 on that list. Maple Leafs are close at 426. I think the primary issue is that the Rangers have always wanted to field a competitive team at all costs to keep the stands full. This means they've rarely committed to youth preferring to bring in big names and foreign imports instead. The cost of that has been players arriving at the Rangers at 27+ and just not having all that many years to accumulate goals. The secondary cost has been the Rangers having to go back to the free agent/trade well every 3 or 4 years to keep the cycle going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duguay10 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 hours ago, leetchy2 said: So does Kreider's jersey get raised to the rafters and the number retired? Absolutely! Best Rangers forward since the Mess, Graves group. Probably ends up second on all time goals list for the team. Let's hope he gets a cup in the next two years to solidify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If Kreider goes into the rafters without winning a cup he'll be "who dat?" to future generations. Not saying he hasn't had a good career but the only thing he has done to stand out at any point is the 52 goal season in 21-22. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I'd need a little convincing on this one. Kinda tough to measure him against the other retired numbers up there right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If he plays another 10 years, which he likely can, then I think he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 If he ends up the all time goals leader for the Rangers his number definitely gets retired. If not it’s debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, Br4d said: If Kreider goes into the rafters without winning a cup he'll be "who dat?" to future generations. Not saying he hasn't had a good career but the only thing he has done to stand out at any point is the 52 goal season in 21-22. Idk, I feel that way about some of the retired numbers now. I had to look them up and here are some (ignorant) thoughts on "who dat:" - I don't know what Harry Howell did for the team, but I see that he played ~17 seasons. Didn't win a cup. Who dat? - Vic Hadfield played ~15 seasons for the club (59-74). Never in any trivia or tributes I've seen. Didn't win a cup. Who dat? - I'd almost argue that people even younger than me would say "who dat" to Giacomin, Gilbert, and Ratelle as well. No cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 It could be argued if Graves number is retired how can you not retire Kreider’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, RJWantsTheCup said: It could be argued if Graves number is retired how can you not retire Kreider’s. No it can't. Stanley Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) All my opinions, but... Stanley Cup for Graves....pretty great career here also. Mess goes without saying...as does Richter. No way Ratelle isn't up there with the rest of his GAG line (Hatfield and Gilbert). Those guys were THE RANGERS in the early 70's. Harry Howell was before me, but he's one of the best defenseman in the NHL before some guy Orr came along. Oh shit forgot Eddie....yeah definietly! "The People's Cherse"! Edited November 7, 2023 by Ozzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Ozzy said: All my opinions, but... Stanley Cup for Graves....pretty great career here also. Mess goes without saying...as does Richter. No way Ratelle isn't up there with the rest of his GAG line (Hatfield and Gilbert). Those guys were THE RANGERS in the early 70's. Harry Howell was before me, but he's one of the best defenseman in the NHL before some guy Orr came along. Chris Kreider is one of the Rangers of this era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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