Valriera Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) It’s 268 regular season games, 1.27 points per game on that span. McD is at 1.49, Draisaitl at 1.17. Playoff nonsense arguments aside, which I don’t subscribe to since the dude scored a game 7 OT winner, this guy is roughly in the middle of two players at the top of the hart trophy lists every season. He passes the eye test because he controls play almost every shift, and he has the production to back it up over the course of several seasons here. There are lots of good players in the league, but Panarin, at this point, must be considered a great one. Everyone is a notch below McDavid, I’m not sure there’s anyone else between panarin and McD, at this point. Could argue one way or another for play style etc but I’m having trouble seeing an argument that there is anyone between those two. Probably a few tied at panarins level. what a special player we have gotten to enjoy during his time here Edited October 31, 2023 by Valriera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 The best free agent signing in a very long time, and in my opinion, is the team's MVP so far. Of course Shesterkin is in that conversation too, but Panarin is looking like he did in 2020 which is only a good thing for this team. If Mika can start getting hot now, with the defense and goaltending playing this well, we're in for a fun time. That's one great thing that Gorton and JD did during their time here. They did what it took to bring him here. I never wanted to hear he was overpaid or whatever. No. Guys like him don't grow on trees, and when he's not here anymore, you'll wish he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 He's a totally different player when he looks to shoot. When he forgets that he has a good shot and passes all the time he goes down a level. Maybe shooting more will wear off onto Fox and the power play will become unstoppable not that it isn't formidable now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 He's the best free agent signing in New York sports recent history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Fucking guy is on a mission! This Panarin guy is good....REALLY GOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Do the playoff splits as a Ranger next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Do the playoff splits as a Ranger next Let's see what happens with Lavvy back there, my man. I'm liking his intensity right now. Hard to believe that won't increase or at least carry over. The guy's an elite player by most standards in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Jagr '05-'06 vibes from him this year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ozzy said: Let's see what happens with Lavvy back there, my man. I'm liking his intensity right now. Hard to believe that won't increase or at least carry over. The guy's an elite player by most standards in my book. I hope you’re right. From your lips to God’s ears 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ozzy said: Let's see what happens with Lavvy back there, my man. I'm liking his intensity right now. Hard to believe that won't increase or at least carry over. The guy's an elite player by most standards in my book. There's always going to be the contingent of haters. He's going to decline! Doesn't look that way. He doesn't shoot enough! He's shooting plenty now. He turns it over too much! He's on pace for the least amount of giveaways since his rookie year. So of course the conversation needs to be directed towards something that may or may not happen in the playoffs, and something he can't prove out until April. It's dishonest argument to begin with. You can't whine about perceived April problems in October. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Guy is on fire right now. When he's on he's unplayable. Not sure what happened the last couple years, but he looks to be back to his absolute best right now and it's a pleasure to watch. 2nd best after McD is a stretch tho, but he's a top 10 player when he's at his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Pete said: There's always going to be the contingent of haters. He's going to decline! Doesn't look that way. He doesn't shoot enough! He's shooting plenty now. He turns it over too much! He's on pace for the least amount of giveaways since his rookie year. So of course the conversation needs to be directed towards something that may or may not happen in the playoffs, and something he can't prove out until April. It's dishonest argument to begin with. You can't whine about perceived April problems in October. I get your point, but it's a bit dishonest on your part. No ones ever said Panarin isn't a great player in October. There were (obvious) concern about if he would improve or regress after last season and based on his age the natural thing would be to decline a bit. I think everyone can agree that Panarin was not shooting enough the last two years. Now he's doing all the right things and playing like the star he is, but no one's argued he can't do that in October. He's proved that numerous times before. The entire discussion around Panarin has always been his playoff performance. Great performances in October doesn't answer the question about if he can do it in April. That said - You're right that it's pointless to argue his playoff performance in October, but it's also no point in trying to prove people wrong because he's playing good in October. That was never the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: I get your point, but it's a bit dishonest on your part. No ones ever said Panarin isn't a great player in October. There were (obvious) concern about if he would improve or regress after last season and based on his age the natural thing would be to decline a bit. I think everyone can agree that Panarin was not shooting enough the last two years. Now he's doing all the right things and playing like the star he is, but no one's argued he can't do that in October. He's proved that numerous times before. The entire discussion around Panarin has always been his playoff performance. Great performances in October doesn't answer the question about if he can do it in April. That said - You're right that it's pointless to argue his playoff performance in October, but it's also no point in trying to prove people wrong because he's playing good in October. That was never the issue. People have, though. That's why I'm calling it out. There's been critiques of his game before the playoff shortcomings. Edited October 31, 2023 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc said: Guy is on fire right now. When he's on he's unplayable. Not sure what happened the last couple years, but he looks to be back to his absolute best right now and it's a pleasure to watch. 2nd best after McD is a stretch tho, but he's a top 10 player when he's at his best. He’s second to only mcdavid on this list of active players during his time in New York. i don’t think it’s as much of a stretch as it seems. Production wise, it’s a fact, he drives play every game, idk, make an argument the other way, playoffs aside. https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Pete said: People have, though. That's why I'm calling it out. There's been critiques of his game before the playoff shortcomings. Okey, maybe I've missed it. The off-season was too much for me, so I checked out of this place for a few weeks lol. Just now, Valriera said: He’s second to only mcdavid on this list of active players during his time in New York. i don’t think it’s as much of a stretch as it seems. Production wise, it’s a fact, he drives play every game, idk, make an argument the other way, playoffs aside. https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-active-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html It depends on how you measure it. If we take the last 5 years of regular season I guess you have an argument, are we talking right now it's a different story. How much should last years playoffs weight in comparison to the 9 regular season games we've played so far this season? Players like Pettersson, Hughes, Makar, Kaprizov haven't been in the league for 5+ years, but are arguably all better than Panarin right now. How do you compare a offense-only winger with a two-way center ala Zibanejad? No one takes Panarin ahead of MacKinnon, Matthews, Crosby, Draisatl. Probably not ahead of Zibanejad, Eichel, Pettersson, Point, Barkov as well, but you can argue both ways there I guess. And then how does he compare to other scoring wingers? Rantanen, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Tkachuk x2. And we haven't even started with goalies and defenders. Do you take Panarin before Shesterkin and Fox? Hellebuyck, Makar, Hedman, McAvoy etc. Around top 10 at his best - I'm really struggling to put him at top 3. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted November 19, 2023 Author Share Posted November 19, 2023 Turns out he is still the best player in the league in November too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 The Return of Hartemi. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Awkward I was just about to bump the trade Panarin thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Incredible performance to start the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Panarin is insane when he is driving the offense and very good when he is in pass first, shoot only as a last resort mode. We got the first guy the first year he was here and this year. We got the second guy the last 3 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Phil said: The Return of Hartemi. Right there with whoever else is in the running 15-20 games in. I had to go take a look to see who was in the conversation this early. Damn, Quinn Hughes is on an astronomical pace. Currently pacing to finish with a top 5 season of all time from a defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: Right there with whoever else is in the running 15-20 games in. I had to go take a look to see who was in the conversation this early. Damn, Quinn Hughes is on an astronomical pace. Currently pacing to finish with a top 5 season of all time from a defenseman. Insane hockey genetics in that family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Br4d said: Panarin is insane when he is driving the offense and very good when he is in pass first, shoot only as a last resort mode. We got the first guy the first year he was here and this year. We got the second guy the last 3 seasons. I don't think so. We've never seen this Panarin before. He was excellent year 1, but this is something vastly different. 82 game paces: Year 1: 38g, 113 pts, 248 SOG, 478 shot attempts This Year: 55g, 142 pts, 349 SOG, 662 shot attempts Year 1 was a career high in every one of those categories. He's on pace to obliterate those, but the SOG/shot attempts difference in particular is off the charts and completely out of the ordinary for him as the player he's been his entire career. Defying odds of regression w/ age, and playing a completely different game to do it. Good for him. Edited November 19, 2023 by BrooksBurner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Definitely the best Panarin we've seen. Year one was amazing and the COVID situation wrecked what would've been a 100+point season for him. But this year he's been excellent in all facets and is just taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyb Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Yeah agreed. I didn’t watch much of him with Chicago, but this is the best Panarin I’ve seen play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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