Albatrosss Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, rmc51 said: No, he's a top. That's why I won't date him. Don’t worry, I’ll be gentle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 I'm not sure why they would have to buy him out. He has a 12 team no trade list, and he probably wouldn't be too fussy in order to get out of there. If Philly retained $2.5m, they'd be better off than with a buyout, and someone would look at him at $4.6 as a better second center than whatever they've got. Philly might even get a decent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 8 hours ago, Sod16 said: I'm not sure why they would have to buy him out. He has a 12 team no trade list, and he probably wouldn't be too fussy in order to get out of there. If Philly retained $2.5m, they'd be better off than with a buyout, and someone would look at him at $4.6 as a better second center than whatever they've got. Philly might even get a decent return. I'm in agreement here. Just get him out of there. I felt Torts comments preseason about the locker room had something to do with Hayes. I imagine Torts came in and saw a light hearted, joking environment in the locker room and while you don't want the guys depressed in there; there certainly needs to be accountability and a serious vibe to right a sinking ship. They send Hayes packing and they start to make progress imo. I don't know Kevin Hayes other than interviews and Chiclets appearances but I think the rift between him and Torts is insurmountable and a move must be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I’d take Hayes at 3.57x3 over Chytil Probably not touching their asking price, though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 hours ago, josh said: I’d take Hayes at 3.57x3 over Chytil Probably not touching their asking price, though no way. Chytil over Hayes any day at this point. i'd take Provorov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 Look at where this man has the Flyers after one year to weed out the lazy shit off his roster. 3rd in Metro. 7th in xGF% and HDCF% at 5v5. 4th PK%. The only blemish is a horrific PP. Last in the league (10.6%). That's a talent problem. This is classic Torts, taking a roster that has no high end talent whatsoever and turning them into a high quality team. I wanted him back 3 years ago instead of Gallant. I think the Rangers have a Stanley Cup if they didn't fuck that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 1 hour ago, BrooksBurner said: Look at where this man has the Flyers after one year to weed out the lazy shit off his roster. 3rd in Metro. 7th in xGF% and HDCF% at 5v5. 4th PK%. The only blemish is a horrific PP. Last in the league (10.6%). That's a talent problem. This is classic Torts, taking a roster that has no high end talent whatsoever and turning them into a high quality team. I wanted him back 3 years ago instead of Gallant. I think the Rangers have a Stanley Cup if they didn't fuck that up. Somewhere Kevin Hayes is disagreeing with this post.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 2 hours ago, jsm7302 said: Somewhere Kevin Hayes is disagreeing with this post.... I believe this is the lazy shit he was referring to 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 I'll keep Laviolette, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 He has the Flyers in a place they have no business being in, and I hate it. lol I'll always love Torts, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: He has the Flyers in a place they have no business being in, and I hate it. lol I'll always love Torts, though. Say what you will about that guy, but he’s a good coach. His teams are always well coached, they play very good team defense, play a physical and chippy style, and they’re typically pretty hard to play against. Just as said though… no real high-end talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: Say what you will about that guy, but he’s a good coach. His teams are always well coached, they play very good team defense, play a physical and chippy style, and they’re typically pretty hard to play against. Just as said though… no real high-end talent. Right. Laviolette isn't too far behind in that mentality either, really. His teams were usually astute defensively and blocked shots, as we are seeing now. The team is near the top of the league in that category, I believe. Trouba has been a shot-blocking machine all year. They've also had a good battle and compete level as a team. Yeah, it's just talent being the big difference. With the exception of Gaborik there were really no game-changers on offense. It was a steep drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Just now, Sharpshooter said: Right. Laviolette isn't too far behind in that mentality either, really. His teams were usually astute defensively and blocked shots, as we are seeing now. The team is near the top of the league in that category, I believe. Trouba has been a shot-blocking machine all year. They've also had a good battle and compete level as a team. Yeah, it's just talent being the big difference. With the exception of Gaborik there were really no game-changers on offense. It was a steep drop off. Yeah. He had an elite scorer in Gabby and a great goalie and he played a style conducive to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 This Rangers team has too much talent for Torts! LOL I'm just fucking with ya, 7! I always loved Torts, but I'm kinda hung up liking how Lavvy is making this team play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Tortorella is a fantastic coach. How anyone could think any differently is beyond me. This is a guy who has gone to not 1, not 2, not 3 but now 4 stops and has made a difference. Yes, the shelf life is almost always short. But he made a difference in Tampa. He mattered in New York with us. Ok, Vancouver was a mess the year he was there. But then he rebounded and was huge for Columbus. And again, now is showing his worth again in Philadelphia with a team that no one had being in the hunt this year. Love him, hate him. He does a good job. It likely won’t be a super long term marriage; it rarely ever is with him. But the guy does a good job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatrosss Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 12/27/2023 at 1:18 PM, RichieNextel305 said: Tortorella is a fantastic coach. How anyone could think any differently is beyond me. This is a guy who has gone to not 1, not 2, not 3 but now 4 stops and has made a difference. Yes, the shelf life is almost always short. But he made a difference in Tampa. He mattered in New York with us. Ok, Vancouver was a mess the year he was there. But then he rebounded and was huge for Columbus. And again, now is showing his worth again in Philadelphia with a team that no one had being in the hunt this year. Love him, hate him. He does a good job. It likely won’t be a super long term marriage; it rarely ever is with him. But the guy does a good job. didnt he say he's going to retire after the Philthy gig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 12/27/2023 at 1:18 PM, RichieNextel305 said: Tortorella is a fantastic coach. How anyone could think any differently is beyond me. This is a guy who has gone to not 1, not 2, not 3 but now 4 stops and has made a difference. Yes, the shelf life is almost always short. But he made a difference in Tampa. He mattered in New York with us. Ok, Vancouver was a mess the year he was there. But then he rebounded and was huge for Columbus. And again, now is showing his worth again in Philadelphia with a team that no one had being in the hunt this year. Love him, hate him. He does a good job. It likely won’t be a super long term marriage; it rarely ever is with him. But the guy does a good job. I think Vancouver was the only stint that wasn't long term. Tampa (7 seasons), New York (5), and Columbus (6), I would consider long term. He's also never been fired midseason, which is interesting. Laviolette has the same kind of track record. Never made 6 full seasons with a club, but fired midseason in 3 of his stints. Nobody ever talks about him as a short shelf life like Torts. I think it's just the nature of being a head coach. The ones who stick around one franchise for longer than what these guys have throughout their careers, seem to be an exception rather than the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 And he likes puppies too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 18 hours ago, BrooksBurner said: I think Vancouver was the only stint that wasn't long term. Tampa (7 seasons), New York (5), and Columbus (6), I would consider long term. He's also never been fired midseason, which is interesting. Laviolette has the same kind of track record. Never made 6 full seasons with a club, but fired midseason in 3 of his stints. Nobody ever talks about him as a short shelf life like Torts. I think it's just the nature of being a head coach. The ones who stick around one franchise for longer than what these guys have throughout their careers, seem to be an exception rather than the rule. Honestly, five, six years is very long for an NHL head coach. The NHL seems to have the highest turnover rate of head coaches in all of sports. lol If we can get something like that with Laviolette here, then we should be so lucky. With the exception of Quinn, we've been pretty good at having coaches here for a bit. You could make an argument someone like AV was maybe here a year or two too long, but they still got some length from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: Honestly, five, six years is very long for an NHL head coach. The NHL seems to have the highest turnover rate of head coaches in all of sports. lol If we can get something like that with Laviolette here, then we should be so lucky. With the exception of Quinn, we've been pretty good at having coaches here for a bit. You could make an argument someone like AV was maybe here a year or two too long, but they still got some length from him. Plus, Quinn pretty much got fired because of a Dolan temper tantrum over Wilson-gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 24 minutes ago, Pete said: Plus, Quinn pretty much got fired because of a Dolan temper tantrum over Wilson-gate. Yeah that whole incident trigged one big cleanse of upper management and coaching and a letter to the league. That was definitely....something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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