Puck Head Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Given Slats/Gorton's historical obsession with "getting something" for UFAs even when we are assured of making the playoffs, I think we will be a significant seller even if we are a few points into a playoff position. When have we been sellers of UFA players while in a playoff spot ? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 When have we been sellers of UFA players while in a playoff spot ? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Right. The Rangers are historically the opposite. The 2016 season is a prime example. That wasn't a good team yet they held onto Yandle and added Eric Staal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 you're probably right, but it's August and it's just a hypothetical discussion I get that. But even in a hypothetical scenario where this team somehow finds itself in playoff contention it's my opinion that not being sellers would be the wrong move and go against everything they've said and done since February. We should flip the likes of Zucarello and Hayes and probably a few others to have another draft with several 1st round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I get that. But even in a hypothetical scenario where this team somehow finds itself in playoff contention it's my opinion that not being sellers would be the wrong move and go against everything they've said and done since February. We should flip the likes of Zucarello and Hayes and probably a few others to have another draft with several 1st round picks. I think we will probably see Brassard- Zib + pick type trades, regardless. If the Rangers turn into this seasons Avs, Devils or Knights, I could see them making a move that will benefit them this season, and into the future. (Panarin) But, the chances are slim. I can understand Phil's paranoia based on past seasons, but making 1 move isnt ruining a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I think they will be better than last season. Even if you?re just talking about ?watch-ability?. I?ve never been bored watching Rangers hockey like I was last season. In terms of wins I wouldn?t be surprised but I am also not expecting it. If they are middle of the pack you still trade guys to get more picks. I dont want to move up in the draft unless there is a bonafide future star available. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I think we will probably see Brassard- Zib + pick type trades, regardless. If the Rangers turn into this seasons Avs, Devils or Knights, I could see them making a move that will benefit them this season, and into the future. (Panarin) But, the chances are slim. I can understand Phil's paranoia based on past seasons, but making 1 move isnt ruining a rebuild.I totally agree, especially with the Brassard- Zib + pick type trades. The roster as it sits has zero elite, star player. Meaning no player that is in the top say 150 players in the league. IMO they will do whatever they have to get at least one that can be the poster boy. Most likely through a trade because it would be a hard sell to a ufa and Hayes will definitely be in that package deal. Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Bottom line? Don?t buy new jersey anytime soon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrowningPI Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Bottom line? Don?t buy new jersey anytime soon!![emoji38] Sent from my SM-N900T using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I will say this: I think this team is going to surprise people. But even if they are in contention, I agree with Phil: I don't think the plan changes at all. They're committed to the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 When have we been sellers of UFA players while in a playoff spot ? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk They were, what, a point out when they waived the white flag last February? They could easily have bought and made the final wildcard. Instead, they proactively sold. I'd say that counts. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I will say this: I think this team is going to surprise people. But even if they are in contention, I agree with Phil: I don't think the plan changes at all. They're committed to the rebuild. The only way it changes is if they're 2005-06 surprising. As in picked to finish near the bottom of the league almost universally and strike gold with garbage, becoming the most unlikely powerhouse in the league. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I think we will probably see Brassard- Zib + pick type trades, regardless. If the Rangers turn into this seasons Avs, Devils or Knights, I could see them making a move that will benefit them this season, and into the future. (Panarin) But, the chances are slim. I can understand Phil's paranoia based on past seasons, but making 1 move isnt ruining a rebuild. I'd actually be in favor of that kind of move. I've written before, just a month ago or so, that trading for pending free agents who you intend to keep is smart business. Too few make it to market to rely on hope as a strategy. So, while optically it kind of sucks to give up pieces for a guy "you could have had for just money," a few months later, the fact is we'll never know if anyone could have actually had the player. They almost always re-sign before hand. tl;dr: get talent when talent is available to be got. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 They were, what, a point out when they waived the white flag last February? They could easily have bought and made the final wildcard. Instead, they proactively sold. I'd say that counts. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk The difference is at the end of it they still would have been a team with an aging core, and likely worse the year following. If the same thing happened this year, you can no longer point to the core being aging and expecting to be worse next year. There would be more to lose this year by selling a playoff spot for picks. Most importantly of which is getting the young guys' feet wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The difference is at the end of it they still would have been a team with an aging core, and likely worse the year following. If the same thing happened this year, you can no longer point to the core being aging and expecting to be worse next year. There would be more to lose this year by selling a playoff spot for picks. Most importantly of which is getting the young guys' feet wet. In year one? To what benefit? "Congratulations on your first-round sweep, Lias and Filip ? hope you learned something valuable!" Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 In year one? To what benefit? "Congratulations on your first-round sweep, Lias and Filip — hope you learned something valuable!" Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk First, they get to see how much faster, more physical, and tighter the space gets. Second, I am still playing under the hypothetical assumption that this team is a good deal better than we expect them to be...4th-6th seed. I don't see that as a team you write off as a "sweep" and out. In that scenario, they are probably a 100-104 point team and A) producing offensively and B) not a disaster defensively. If they are in that position, it is a big mistake to sell, just as it would be a big mistake to "go all in" and trade picks for vets or something. It is a perfect situation to stand pat and/or buy small (again, 3rd round pick for a vet kind of thing). Probably the only way this entire scenario would have to play out would require guys like Zucc and Hayes to be excellent, and you should be wanting to keep those guys for a few years if the team has taken that large a stride forward already with those guys leading the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 The only way it changes is if they're 2005-06 surprising. As in picked to finish near the bottom of the league almost universally and strike gold with garbage, becoming the most unlikely powerhouse in the league. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk That's exactly what I was thinking of. Granted, that team had an up-and-coming Henrik and a Rangers-record-setting Jagr, but I think we're going to be pleasantly surprised with the on-ice product this year. I think we're going to win to the point of annoyance, and by annoyance I mean "there goes our Jack Hughes lottery pick" annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it) Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Lothbrok Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it) Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I'm not so sure that we're that attractive of a destination for free agents anymore. I mean, if we surprise some people like I think we might, then all of a sudden we're a high-energy, competitive team on the upswing with a bright future. But as it stands now, we're a bit of a mess with no light at the end of the tunnel for at least two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it) Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Getting two of four is a HUGE ask. I'll take the under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 I'm not so sure that we're that attractive of a destination for free agents anymore. I mean, if we surprise some people like I think we might, then all of a sudden we're a high-energy, competitive team on the upswing with a bright future. But as it stands now, we're a bit of a mess with no light at the end of the tunnel for at least two years.New York is always attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it) Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I'd love to get Silfverberg, just because of how he seems to be a playoff performer. Add in the weakness on the wing and it's just a good fit. Of course Panarin would be a nice get too. I don't think they can attract two of these names though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Why do we want another 40 point winger who is also about to get overpaid (Silfverberg, in case it wasn't obvious)? That would be such a terrible signing. Panarin is the guy they need however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Regardless of how we do I think smart money would say we will be signing 2 of Panarin, Silverberg, Duchene and/or Seguin( it would be foolish for any of them not to go into free agency and see what they can get and we will have the money to do it) Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk one of these things is not like the others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I'd entertain the idea of signing Duchene to a Hayes-like contract, 1 year, maybe around 6m. I dont think you can commit to him long-term. Would LOVE Seguin, but it will take a huge overpayment to get him out of Dallas. And then I'm not sure he'd have the linemate like Benn to get those stats up. Panarin - sure. But it will depend on the progress of our centers this season. If 3 of Zib, Chytil, Lias and Howden (Hayes?) don't take huge steps forward, I'm not sure we should be investing in another skilled winger for the long term. (In the top 6 Kravtsov, Panarin, Buchnevich, Chytil, Zibanejad - middle/bottom 6: Namestnikov, Spooner, Fast) SAWFT Silverberg - would be an old school Rangers pick up. paying him 6m x 7 for third line duties. Helll no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Seguin could definitely be a possibility. UFA after this season (Although I think he'd probably end up staying in Dallas). What was missing throughout the last few years of good playoff runs was a true #1 talent. We had the perfect supporting cast and an elite goalie. We just didn't have that one top player to put us over the top. With the cap continuing to go up and what will likely be a lot of cap room, we can absolutely afford Seguin. But to lure him here, the young players are going to have to show a lot. But if he wants to be THE guy in a big city like New York, he'll definitely have that option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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