Phil Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hayes is, without a doubt, the most valuable trade chip the team has. He's an RFA, center, under 30, and excelled as a shutdown center, putting up quality numbers on a horrible team. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hayes is, without a doubt, the most valuable trade chip the team has. He's an RFA, center, under 30, and excelled as a shutdown center, putting up quality numbers on a horrible team. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk So did Max Domi, and he fetched Galchenyuk. Lets get what we can now before it’s too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Ha ha, you're panic'd. Domi is an underperforming winger who was an RFA on the block and now getting paid over 3 mil. He fetched an addict (supposed Montreal nitelifer and report indicating he was in rehab) who no one else really wanted. A guy who isn't really a C and struggled to provide a complete game under 2 coaches in Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Why? He’s 26 and has never eclipsed 50 points. What part of his game makes you think he’ll get a significant return? Zucc is by far the most valuable piece on that list. You may like him less than other teams, but this isn't the first place that I've seen that there is interest in Hayes around the league. He's a C, young enough and under team control. Wasn't it reported that Calgary had interest. Montreal? If he goes we want to be excited about what is coming back. Patience. He is going to score around 50 this year under Quinn anyway. One can expect good D, forced turnovers and solid PK from him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 So did Max Domi, and he fetched Galchenyuk. Lets get what we can now before it?s too late. Hayes had 20-something goals last season. Domi had nine. They're not even in the same stratosphere. But I'm 100% on board with selling high. They can and should get a really nice haul for him. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hayes had 20-something goals last season. Domi had nine. They're not even in the same stratosphere. But I'm 100% on board with selling high. They can and should get a really nice haul for him. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Domi had more points, so I’d say your comparison is a little bit off. He’s also always been a shit team, can’t say the same for big fat cheeseburger eater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Domi had more points, so I’d say your comparison is a little bit off. He’s also always been a shit team, can’t say the same for big fat cheeseburger eater. Domi had one more point but played in 6 more games. I'd take Hayes every day of the week over Domi. Cheeseburgers or not, he has developed every year on the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 The thing about our C's is a little overstated. If we are to stay realistic instead of optimistic Howden should spend at least a few months in Hartford. If he is excelling, then by all means bring him up. Spooner is really not a C. He is a winger who can win faceoffs and is more comfortable there. Spoon and Names could be traded too. Nieves is hardly a prospect anymore and should not be figured into the plans. He'd have to really surprise. Chytil or Lias could easily play wing as rookies. It may benefit Chytil to not have the D worries as he adjusts to a middle six role. We need to let the lines shake out under Quinnn, before declaring excesses. Hayes should only be traded for a significant return. He has a lot more value than Zuc, Spoon, Names or Vesey. No reason to ship him at a discount, none. Please stop saying that Spooner likes the wing more than center. It is not true. He didn't say that. He said that he was against moving to wing for a long time and is glad he made himself more versatile, and is now willing to play any forward position because it gives him more value to a team. I think wiskers has a good point. Maybe a center falls into the Rangers lap in the draft. Add in to the factor of Chytil, Andersson and Howden. And why are we moving our top prospects out of position for Hayes? These kids are playing center. Leave them there until they play themselves out of that position. Also, why does it matter if Nieves is not a prospect anymore? How does that take him out of the role of 4th line center. A spot I particularly don't want to see Chytil or Andersson playing in for very long. Besides, I think Quinn might be able to get a little more out of him. It's not like he's old or has a ton of miles on him. Nor has he had much to play with in Hartford. IMO the guys in the perfect spot to make his name as an NHLer. Semi big, fast, decent vision... I don't see him NOT making the roster and becoming a pk specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Why? He’s 26 and has never eclipsed 50 points. What part of his game makes you think he’ll get a significant return? Zucc is by far the most valuable piece on that list. Agreed. Along with some other names not on the list. (Skjei) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Domi had one more point but played in 6 more games. I'd take Hayes every day of the week over Domi. Cheeseburgers or not, he has developed every year on the Rangers. Wait, what? Domi is three years younger, has a higher ceiling, and has scored more points than Hayes in 2 out of 3 seasons while playing on the worst team in the league. Just seems like people are overvaluing the players we have. Not just Hayes but everyone. There is a reason this team sucks donkey balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 One issue I have with Gorton is that he seems to telegraph his blows. He gets fixated on trading someone and takes the most he can get for him rather than listening to offers, being coy, and refraining from trading someone if he is not getting a great offer. The whole world knew that Haglin, Talbot, Brassard, Stepan, Ranta, McDonagh, Nash and Grabner were going to be traded for sure, and that affects the return! Yes, I know it was inevitable that the whole world would know that some of those guys would be traded, but not all of them. Miller is the only guy he's traded who was not known to be on the way out for sure. I hope Gorton is not letting the whole world know that Hayes is going and reducing his take accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Domi had one more point but played in 6 more games. I'd take Hayes every day of the week over Domi. Cheeseburgers or not, he has developed every year on the Rangers. Domi is 3 years younger and has averaged more ppg than Hayes has in their careers. Domi has been on thee worst team in the NHL for his entire career. And knowing what I know about Kevin and knowing nothing about Max, I’mma go Domi > Hayes all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Wait, what? Domi is three years younger, has a higher ceiling, and has scored more points than Hayes in 2 out of 3 seasons while playing on the worst team in the league. Just seems like people are overvaluing the players we have. Not just Hayes but everyone. There is a reason this team sucks donkey balls. Yeah, I would absolutely take Domi over Hayes. Younger and has been a decent producer up until this past year on a bad team. How does Hayes one decent year on a bad team boost his value over a guy like Domi? Domi who has always been on a bad team and always produced more. I didn't even see that he got traded. Good move by the Have. Oddly, Galy is glad to be moving back to center and the Yotes see him as a center. People here say he's not a center...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Wait, what? Domi is three years younger, has a higher ceiling, and has scored more points than Hayes in 2 out of 3 seasons while playing on the worst team in the league. Just seems like people are overvaluing the players we have. Not just Hayes but everyone. There is a reason this team sucks donkey balls. Domi has played 1st line minutes and 1st PP minutes from the moment he came into the league and he's produced 36 total goals in 3 years. I'm not sure what you see there that is so amazing but I certainly don't see it. And no one is overvaluing Hayes. If anything he is completely underappreciated for what he did this year. He was a +1 on a team that had a -37 goal differential while taking on tough assignments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Domi is 3 years younger and has averaged more ppg than Hayes has in their careers. Domi has been on thee worst team in the NHL for his entire career. And knowing what I know about Kevin and knowing nothing about Max, I’mma go Domi > Hayes all day. I can't imagine that Hayes has anywhere near the same amount of PP time that Domi has. Plus Hayes has really developed into a good penalty killer and a solid faceoff guy. I'm not saying I'm opposed to trading Hayes, I just don't think very highly of Domi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Domi has played 1st line minutes and 1st PP minutes from the moment he came into the league and he's produced 36 total goals in 3 years. I'm not sure what you see there that is so amazing but I certainly don't see it. And no one is overvaluing Hayes. If anything he is completely underappreciated for what he did this year. He was a +1 on a team that had a -37 goal differential while taking on tough assignments. He’s always been more of a playmaker, which is what any team can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I can't imagine that Hayes has anywhere near the same amount of PP time that Domi has. Plus Hayes has really developed into a good penalty killer and a solid faceoff guy. I'm not saying I'm opposed to trading Hayes, I just don't think very highly of Domi. I’d say we can use a smart pp guy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respecttheblue Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Also, I see it as kind of problematic to trade Vesey and Hayes and continue being an attractive destination for NCAA UFAs. It's like, "hey here's this awesome video and celebrity sales pitch, you should come here! Okay it's been a year, see ya!" I kind of agree, kind of. I?m soured in Vesey?s attitude but I hope he turns it up. I wish Hayes would play to his ceiling, but time is running out. I didn?t like Namestnikov?s horrible end of season. His body English suggested he?s not happy to be here or he?s a quitter. Why did Tampa want to get rid of him? Spooner is functional and seems to fit ok. Can?t completely gut the team and expect to attract any FA?s of value, but I?d sure like to see Howden, Chytil and Anderson get their playing legs /NHL full-time experience sooner rather than later. Such a project; all I can think is it?s going to take several years before there?s a light at the end of the tunnel. But that?s just the way I feel right now. Maybe we get some happy surprises along the way. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hayes doesn’t get you Galchenyuk or Domi. If he did the trade would probably would have went that way with Hayes going to the Habs as they desperately search for center help. Hayes has value but prepare to be disappointed if you think he alone is fetching more than either of those two. I’d sign right now for a trade like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hayes doesn’t get you Galchenyuk or Domi. If he did the trade would probably would have went that way with Hayes going to the Habs as they desperately search for center help. Hayes has value but prepare to be disappointed if you think he alone is fetching more than either of those two. I’d sign right now for a trade like that. Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but there’s a lot that goes on with trades that we don’t know about. There’s other elements beyond stats, salary, and positions to fill that makes trades look good for one and bad for others. Not saying all deals turn out to be fair, or no one makes a bad one, but the constant GM bashing on every deal is fuckin ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'm a bit torn on Hayes. Part of me would like to see what he can do under Quinn. And I'm a little bit reluctant to trade everything now and have no continuity with Quinn and a bunch of kids coming into the fold. On the other hand I don't rate Hayes very highly and would happily deal him for a decent return. I also feel he is a better trade piece now than at the deadline. I'm having a hard time seeing a GM for a playoff bound team looking at Hayes and thinking "yeah, Kevin Hayes is the guy we need to be ready for the grind of battle coming up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but there’s a lot that goes on with trades that we don’t know about. There’s other elements beyond stats, salary, and positions to fill that makes trades look good for one and bad for others. Not saying all deals turn out to be fair, or no one makes a bad one, but the constant GM bashing on every deal is fuckin ridiculous. How am I gm bashing? I’m stating my opinion that Hayes isn’t as valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hayes doesn?t get you Galchenyuk or Domi. If he did the trade would probably would have went that way with Hayes going to the Habs as they desperately search for center help. Hayes has value but prepare to be disappointed if you think he alone is fetching more than either of those two. I?d sign right now for a trade like that. Montreal would have jumped at Hayes for Gally. Zona would have jumped at Hayes, for Domi. I get personal preference and that some fans don't like his style of play and such. Problem is then you undervalue the asset. Hayes is worth more than Galy or Domi and the Rangers would much rather have Hayes than those players. For those who have an issue with Hayes on a personal level, how can you lobby and ignore Galy's serious problems that were still ongoing during the season last year? And no, I'm not talking about his inability to play D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hayes doesn?t get you Galchenyuk or Domi. Contract status notwithstanding, Hayes gets you either of those guys PLUS something else. He's been, by far, the best player of the three over the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I actually like Hayes. As far as potential goes though I don’t agree with you guys. If Hayes could have been swapped for Galchenyuk I think that trade makes sense for both sides roster wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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